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	<title>Comments on: City Administration Recommends Removal Of Pensacola&#8217;s Lee Square Confederate Monument</title>
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		<title>By: Cade Diamond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cade Diamond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2020 21:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What will happen to the statue once it is taken down? It would be great if it would be put inside one of the museums in the area. That way people can still see it and learn about the area’s heritage and history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will happen to the statue once it is taken down? It would be great if it would be put inside one of the museums in the area. That way people can still see it and learn about the area’s heritage and history.</p>
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		<title>By: Kael Land</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kael Land</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2020 19:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to see how a lot of people don’t seem to understand that this statue represents an oppressive time in the US, and that to many people it is a symbol of that oppression. Confederates are NOT American, and only represent a rebellion that was in poor taste. I applaud the mayor and council for making this decision, history shouldn’t be idealized, but put in a museum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to see how a lot of people don’t seem to understand that this statue represents an oppressive time in the US, and that to many people it is a symbol of that oppression. Confederates are NOT American, and only represent a rebellion that was in poor taste. I applaud the mayor and council for making this decision, history shouldn’t be idealized, but put in a museum.</p>
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		<title>By: Royce Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Royce Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2020 14:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leave history alone, if this is to be fair take all black   Statue down it is history to, #leavehistoryalone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leave history alone, if this is to be fair take all black   Statue down it is history to, #leavehistoryalone.</p>
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		<title>By: telyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>telyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2020 04:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Hullabaloo &amp; @TruthMatters:

Could you each post your sources please?  
Anyone else posting anything as a fact should include their sources too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Hullabaloo &amp; @TruthMatters:</p>
<p>Could you each post your sources please?<br />
Anyone else posting anything as a fact should include their sources too.</p>
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		<title>By: TruthMatters</title>
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		<dc:creator>TruthMatters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2020 23:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a lie that Robert E Lee owned slaves. His father in law owned slaves and left in his will that they be emancipated and Lee was his executor under the will. Lee had to follow the law as it existed at the time to publish public notice if a slave was going to be freed in that owners of slaves could borrow money as collateral as to the slave and a potential creditor had a legal right to know. 
Lee was able to free his father in laws slaves prior to the Emancipation Proclamation whereas one contrast Grants wife owned slaves and they weren’t freed until AFTER the war.
Truth matters...to post lies on here is unacceptable and in my opinion, to fail to post this truth rebuttable is to condone a lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a lie that Robert E Lee owned slaves. His father in law owned slaves and left in his will that they be emancipated and Lee was his executor under the will. Lee had to follow the law as it existed at the time to publish public notice if a slave was going to be freed in that owners of slaves could borrow money as collateral as to the slave and a potential creditor had a legal right to know.<br />
Lee was able to free his father in laws slaves prior to the Emancipation Proclamation whereas one contrast Grants wife owned slaves and they weren’t freed until AFTER the war.<br />
Truth matters&#8230;to post lies on here is unacceptable and in my opinion, to fail to post this truth rebuttable is to condone a lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Hullabaloo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hullabaloo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2020 19:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case my previous comment is flagged for posting copyrighted material:

Robert E. Lee opposed Confederate monuments. You can read all about it in his own words--a simple search returns plenty of information.

Robert E. Lee owned slaves. A handful from his own family, and he controlled the 200 or so slaves that his father-in-law left to Lee &amp; his wife for a 5 year period. Lee went to court to try and extend that period for his own benefit, but lost and was forced to free those slave in 1863.

Facts matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case my previous comment is flagged for posting copyrighted material:</p>
<p>Robert E. Lee opposed Confederate monuments. You can read all about it in his own words&#8211;a simple search returns plenty of information.</p>
<p>Robert E. Lee owned slaves. A handful from his own family, and he controlled the 200 or so slaves that his father-in-law left to Lee &amp; his wife for a 5 year period. Lee went to court to try and extend that period for his own benefit, but lost and was forced to free those slave in 1863.</p>
<p>Facts matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Hullabaloo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hullabaloo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2020 19:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI about Robert E. Lee:

“It’s often forgotten that Lee himself, after the Civil War, opposed monuments, specifically Confederate war monuments,” said Jonathan Horn, the author of the Lee biography, “The Man Who Would Not Be Washington.”

“Lee believed countries that erased visible signs of civil war recovered from conflicts quicker,” Horn said. “He was worried that by keeping these symbols alive, it would keep the divisions alive.”

Prescient.

Re: Robert E Lee &quot;didn&#039;t own slaves&quot;   

John Reeves, a historian and author of the book, “The Lost Indictment of Robert E. Lee: The Forgotten Case Against an American Icon,” said the claim about Lee is false.

“Between owning a handful of slaves from his own family and then managing his father-in-law’s 200 slaves, Lee was very, very involved with slavery during his life up until the end of 1862,” he said. 

Reeves explained that Lee worked the slaves for about five years in order to pay off legacies associated with his father-in-law’s estate. “He was utilizing the slave labor in order to pay the legacies,” Reeves explained.

Lee wanted to work the slaves beyond the five-year limit stated in his father-in-law’s will. Lee fought in court to keep the slaves working because he didn’t know if he would be able to pay off his legacies.

Facts matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI about Robert E. Lee:</p>
<p>“It’s often forgotten that Lee himself, after the Civil War, opposed monuments, specifically Confederate war monuments,” said Jonathan Horn, the author of the Lee biography, “The Man Who Would Not Be Washington.”</p>
<p>“Lee believed countries that erased visible signs of civil war recovered from conflicts quicker,” Horn said. “He was worried that by keeping these symbols alive, it would keep the divisions alive.”</p>
<p>Prescient.</p>
<p>Re: Robert E Lee &#8220;didn&#8217;t own slaves&#8221;   </p>
<p>John Reeves, a historian and author of the book, “The Lost Indictment of Robert E. Lee: The Forgotten Case Against an American Icon,” said the claim about Lee is false.</p>
<p>“Between owning a handful of slaves from his own family and then managing his father-in-law’s 200 slaves, Lee was very, very involved with slavery during his life up until the end of 1862,” he said. </p>
<p>Reeves explained that Lee worked the slaves for about five years in order to pay off legacies associated with his father-in-law’s estate. “He was utilizing the slave labor in order to pay the legacies,” Reeves explained.</p>
<p>Lee wanted to work the slaves beyond the five-year limit stated in his father-in-law’s will. Lee fought in court to keep the slaves working because he didn’t know if he would be able to pay off his legacies.</p>
<p>Facts matter.</p>
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		<title>By: S. Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>S. Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2020 17:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Erase History (good or bad) only dooms future generations to repeat history. Statues, memorials, coins serve as an ever present reminder to ourselves and our children to be thankful for the rights that we share in this great country, including the right of free speech and expression. They also serve as reminders not to repeat the mistakes of past generations. 
Please do not fall for this ploy to give in to a few objectors who could care less about the hard fought for freedoms we share today. This will only lead to more and more demands to stamp out our identity as a free country. Before you know it, so that no one is offended all our names, buildings, roads ,cars will have to be simply labeled A,B,C and 1,2,3. My last thought on this subject: Should the Holocaust Memorial be torn down and the lives of millions of Jewish human beings forgotten? Give our children a chance to not repeat some of the atrocities of the past by reminding them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Erase History (good or bad) only dooms future generations to repeat history. Statues, memorials, coins serve as an ever present reminder to ourselves and our children to be thankful for the rights that we share in this great country, including the right of free speech and expression. They also serve as reminders not to repeat the mistakes of past generations.<br />
Please do not fall for this ploy to give in to a few objectors who could care less about the hard fought for freedoms we share today. This will only lead to more and more demands to stamp out our identity as a free country. Before you know it, so that no one is offended all our names, buildings, roads ,cars will have to be simply labeled A,B,C and 1,2,3. My last thought on this subject: Should the Holocaust Memorial be torn down and the lives of millions of Jewish human beings forgotten? Give our children a chance to not repeat some of the atrocities of the past by reminding them.</p>
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		<title>By: David Huie Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Huie Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2020 17:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Can you point me to where in the Constitution it states that individual States of the Union have the right to secede from the Union period?&quot;

Come now, that is a silly question. Tenth Amendment: &quot;The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.&quot;

If it isn&#039;t delegated or prohibited to the states, the power belongs to the state. (States don&#039;t have rights, only powers. People are also included, so they had the right under the Tenth Amendment.)


&quot;The Confederate government was established in February 1861 which was considered illegal by the United States federal government and soon after formed a Militia that eventually attacked the Union Fort Sumter and thus started the Civil War.&quot;

They obviously didn&#039;t really consider it illegal because they acted in ways lawful only if the states had ceased to be part of the Union. 

They formed West Virginia out of Virginia without Virginia&#039;s consent. That was not Constitutional if Virginia was still part of the United States of America.(Article 4, secction 3 &quot; no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.&quot;)

They passed and ratified the amendment ending slavery and granting rights to former slaves which would not have been lawful if the Confederate states were still part of the union. In fact, they made approval of those amendments a requirement for readmission into the union. Until we did so, we were just conquered territory.They could do that also under Article 4, section 3 &quot;The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States;&quot;

(That wasn&#039;t how Lincoln saw it, but they killed him so he didn&#039;t figure into matters after 1865.)

So to keep it simple: Certain states withdrew from the union and got our butts whipped. To regain any standing other than losers, we agreed to decent amendments which we would not have accepted had we been full members of the union.

This was a good thing. Slavery was a bad thing. It took the secession to 

The problem is that some people just can&#039;t handle victory. 

David for accurate civics education</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Can you point me to where in the Constitution it states that individual States of the Union have the right to secede from the Union period?&#8221;</p>
<p>Come now, that is a silly question. Tenth Amendment: &#8220;The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.&#8221;</p>
<p>If it isn&#8217;t delegated or prohibited to the states, the power belongs to the state. (States don&#8217;t have rights, only powers. People are also included, so they had the right under the Tenth Amendment.)</p>
<p>&#8220;The Confederate government was established in February 1861 which was considered illegal by the United States federal government and soon after formed a Militia that eventually attacked the Union Fort Sumter and thus started the Civil War.&#8221;</p>
<p>They obviously didn&#8217;t really consider it illegal because they acted in ways lawful only if the states had ceased to be part of the Union. </p>
<p>They formed West Virginia out of Virginia without Virginia&#8217;s consent. That was not Constitutional if Virginia was still part of the United States of America.(Article 4, secction 3 &#8221; no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.&#8221;)</p>
<p>They passed and ratified the amendment ending slavery and granting rights to former slaves which would not have been lawful if the Confederate states were still part of the union. In fact, they made approval of those amendments a requirement for readmission into the union. Until we did so, we were just conquered territory.They could do that also under Article 4, section 3 &#8220;The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States;&#8221;</p>
<p>(That wasn&#8217;t how Lincoln saw it, but they killed him so he didn&#8217;t figure into matters after 1865.)</p>
<p>So to keep it simple: Certain states withdrew from the union and got our butts whipped. To regain any standing other than losers, we agreed to decent amendments which we would not have accepted had we been full members of the union.</p>
<p>This was a good thing. Slavery was a bad thing. It took the secession to </p>
<p>The problem is that some people just can&#8217;t handle victory. </p>
<p>David for accurate civics education</p>
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		<title>By: David Huie Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Huie Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2020 17:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They could put MY statue up. Pigeons are always seeking a new target.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They could put MY statue up. Pigeons are always seeking a new target.</p>
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