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		<title>By: David Huie Green</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2019/03/third-earthquake-in-a-week-strikes-tuesday-night-in-flomaton/comment-page-1#comment-384874</link>
		<dc:creator>David Huie Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2019 03:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REGARDING:
&quot;Nowhere in my cite does it say “injecting high pressured water does not cause any induced earthquakes.” It’s made clear that the process causes quakes, which you denied earlier, whether or not it is the statistically dominant culprit. Did YOU read it?&quot;

Actually, I didn&#039;t deny it COULD if fracking WERE involved. I disputed &quot; they drill down into the earth before injecting water, chemicals and sand at high pressures into the rock to eject gas or oil out the well. It’s this step that’s typically the culprit of induced quakes.&quot; 

TYPICALLY does not mean OCCASIONALLY.

And the second part ,&quot;Okay, so it was caused by drilling and not hydraulic fracturing,&quot; would almost be the main point if it hadn&#039;t been your main point and still wrong. It couldn&#039;t have been caused by hydraulic fracturing since there hasn&#039;t BEEN any hydraulic fracturing around here. Also, DRILLING doesn&#039;t cause earthquakes.

&quot;I don’t see the point of a condescending argument when we’re clearly both in agreement that it was induced&quot;

Of course you don&#039;t. 

We aren&#039;t in agreement that it WAS INDUCED. I accept the possibility it MIGHT have been induced  but not by nonexistent local fracking and not by the mere drilling of holes in the ground. There is a difference.

David for accuracy and truth
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REGARDING:<br />
&#8220;Nowhere in my cite does it say “injecting high pressured water does not cause any induced earthquakes.” It’s made clear that the process causes quakes, which you denied earlier, whether or not it is the statistically dominant culprit. Did YOU read it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, I didn&#8217;t deny it COULD if fracking WERE involved. I disputed &#8221; they drill down into the earth before injecting water, chemicals and sand at high pressures into the rock to eject gas or oil out the well. It’s this step that’s typically the culprit of induced quakes.&#8221; </p>
<p>TYPICALLY does not mean OCCASIONALLY.</p>
<p>And the second part ,&#8221;Okay, so it was caused by drilling and not hydraulic fracturing,&#8221; would almost be the main point if it hadn&#8217;t been your main point and still wrong. It couldn&#8217;t have been caused by hydraulic fracturing since there hasn&#8217;t BEEN any hydraulic fracturing around here. Also, DRILLING doesn&#8217;t cause earthquakes.</p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t see the point of a condescending argument when we’re clearly both in agreement that it was induced&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course you don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>We aren&#8217;t in agreement that it WAS INDUCED. I accept the possibility it MIGHT have been induced  but not by nonexistent local fracking and not by the mere drilling of holes in the ground. There is a difference.</p>
<p>David for accuracy and truth<br />
(leaving lies to the experts)</p>
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		<title>By: W</title>
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		<dc:creator>W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2019 00:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@david hue green
Nowhere in my cite does it say &quot;injecting high pressured water does not cause any induced earthquakes.&quot; It&#039;s made clear that the process causes quakes, which you denied earlier, whether or not it is the statistically dominant culprit. Did YOU read it?
&quot;According to the U.S. Geological Survey, fracking can induce seismic activity, both directly and from disposing of wastewater used in the process—the byproduct of water, sand, and chemicals used to hydraulically fracture hydrocarbons from rock. That high-pressure wastewater can crack rocks and lubricate faults.&quot;
&quot;In the study, the authors found 29 project sites where earthquakes were induced by fracking itself, 36 sites where quakes were induced by post-fracking wastewater disposal, and 12 sites with temblors induced by unspecific oil and gas wastewater disposal. (Learn more about fracking.) In the case of Oklahoma, which has experienced heavy fracking activity, hundreds of small earthquakes have been observed annually in a region that was previously more geologically quiet.&quot;

Okay, so it was caused by drilling and not hydraulic fracturing. It&#039;s still a human-induced quake, so I don&#039;t see the point of a condescending argument when we&#039;re clearly both in agreement that it was induced lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@david hue green<br />
Nowhere in my cite does it say &#8220;injecting high pressured water does not cause any induced earthquakes.&#8221; It&#8217;s made clear that the process causes quakes, which you denied earlier, whether or not it is the statistically dominant culprit. Did YOU read it?<br />
&#8220;According to the U.S. Geological Survey, fracking can induce seismic activity, both directly and from disposing of wastewater used in the process—the byproduct of water, sand, and chemicals used to hydraulically fracture hydrocarbons from rock. That high-pressure wastewater can crack rocks and lubricate faults.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;In the study, the authors found 29 project sites where earthquakes were induced by fracking itself, 36 sites where quakes were induced by post-fracking wastewater disposal, and 12 sites with temblors induced by unspecific oil and gas wastewater disposal. (Learn more about fracking.) In the case of Oklahoma, which has experienced heavy fracking activity, hundreds of small earthquakes have been observed annually in a region that was previously more geologically quiet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay, so it was caused by drilling and not hydraulic fracturing. It&#8217;s still a human-induced quake, so I don&#8217;t see the point of a condescending argument when we&#8217;re clearly both in agreement that it was induced lol</p>
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		<title>By: David Huie Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Huie Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2019 02:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You’re not going to find faults only 5 km deep; most are no shallower than 10 km.&quot;

Some faults reach the surface. What on Earth would make anyone think otherwise? Google &quot;surface faults&quot; then click on images to see some.

&quot;You’re saying that just because they’re smaller, they must obviously be natural quakes…?&quot;

Nope. I&#039;m saying you can&#039;t talk reliably about ALL earthquakes based only on a selected type especially when it specifically makes the distinction. I imagine petroleum production DID cause it, just not fracking since there was no local fracking.

&quot;If you look up “fracking sites flomaton” or “oil fields jay” in google maps you can see a number of them in the area of seismic activity. There is even a website specifically listing all fracking sites in the U.S, and you can zoom in on the area: &quot;

Drilling sites are not inherently fracking sites. The map you reference shows there is no fracking around here. It isn&#039;t that hard to read.

&quot;they drill down into the earth before injecting water, chemicals and sand at high pressures into the rock to eject gas or oil out the well. It’s this step that’s typically the culprit of induced quakes.&quot;

Except what you cites clearly says it isn&#039;t. Did you read any of it?

&quot;Lastly, when I say that fracking likely caused the quakes, I’m referring to the entire process of fracking, which includes the disposal of wastewater like you just quoted from my source.&quot;

You don&#039;t have any fracking wastewater without fracking in the first place just as you can&#039;t be gored by unicorns unless unicorns are in the neighborhood.

David for literacy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You’re not going to find faults only 5 km deep; most are no shallower than 10 km.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some faults reach the surface. What on Earth would make anyone think otherwise? Google &#8220;surface faults&#8221; then click on images to see some.</p>
<p>&#8220;You’re saying that just because they’re smaller, they must obviously be natural quakes…?&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope. I&#8217;m saying you can&#8217;t talk reliably about ALL earthquakes based only on a selected type especially when it specifically makes the distinction. I imagine petroleum production DID cause it, just not fracking since there was no local fracking.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you look up “fracking sites flomaton” or “oil fields jay” in google maps you can see a number of them in the area of seismic activity. There is even a website specifically listing all fracking sites in the U.S, and you can zoom in on the area: &#8221;</p>
<p>Drilling sites are not inherently fracking sites. The map you reference shows there is no fracking around here. It isn&#8217;t that hard to read.</p>
<p>&#8220;they drill down into the earth before injecting water, chemicals and sand at high pressures into the rock to eject gas or oil out the well. It’s this step that’s typically the culprit of induced quakes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Except what you cites clearly says it isn&#8217;t. Did you read any of it?</p>
<p>&#8220;Lastly, when I say that fracking likely caused the quakes, I’m referring to the entire process of fracking, which includes the disposal of wastewater like you just quoted from my source.&#8221;</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have any fracking wastewater without fracking in the first place just as you can&#8217;t be gored by unicorns unless unicorns are in the neighborhood.</p>
<p>David for literacy</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2019 19:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The next thing we will learn is that our ground water is no good. Big Corporations = Big Corruptions.  Bottom line: No one&#039;s looking out for the average guy. Profits rule and if the Earth is ruined in the process, they think &quot;at least I&#039;m rich.&quot;  I used to think Flomaton was about the safest place on Earth. Now I think about all the unknown damage being done to my house by the quakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The next thing we will learn is that our ground water is no good. Big Corporations = Big Corruptions.  Bottom line: No one&#8217;s looking out for the average guy. Profits rule and if the Earth is ruined in the process, they think &#8220;at least I&#8217;m rich.&#8221;  I used to think Flomaton was about the safest place on Earth. Now I think about all the unknown damage being done to my house by the quakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Kane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2019 19:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John actually you&#039;re wrong about that.....well half wrong anyway. The Right wing definitely does not want to paint fracking as bad because they want the money (i&#039;m just putting this side note in because the right wing side was a bit short and did not look as good as the left, which believe it or not isn&#039;t a statement on todays political climate).

The Left wing definitely wants to paint fracktober as bad so they can point their fingers at fossil fuels and big business to  get the votes of people who feel they are ah uhum &quot;environmentally conscience&quot; (though really they are just telling themselves this so they can feel they are part of the solution which is just fooling yourself if you drive or even ride in a vehicle or live in civilization or are human you are definitely part of the problem. Lot of people wont like that statement but don&#039;t take it personal we are all the &quot;problem&quot;). 

To sum up 1/2 govt. for fracktasticlly fracking other 1/2 against frackageddon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John actually you&#8217;re wrong about that&#8230;..well half wrong anyway. The Right wing definitely does not want to paint fracking as bad because they want the money (i&#8217;m just putting this side note in because the right wing side was a bit short and did not look as good as the left, which believe it or not isn&#8217;t a statement on todays political climate).</p>
<p>The Left wing definitely wants to paint fracktober as bad so they can point their fingers at fossil fuels and big business to  get the votes of people who feel they are ah uhum &#8220;environmentally conscience&#8221; (though really they are just telling themselves this so they can feel they are part of the solution which is just fooling yourself if you drive or even ride in a vehicle or live in civilization or are human you are definitely part of the problem. Lot of people wont like that statement but don&#8217;t take it personal we are all the &#8220;problem&#8221;). </p>
<p>To sum up 1/2 govt. for fracktasticlly fracking other 1/2 against frackageddon.</p>
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		<title>By: W</title>
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		<dc:creator>W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2019 18:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@david hue green
It wouldn&#039;t matter whether or not it was in the central U.S where the quakes were being studied; natural earthquakes are caused by faults in the Earth (tectonic plates), whether they be ancient rifts or active tectonic plate borders. You&#039;re not going to find faults only 5 km deep; most are no shallower than 10 km. Tectonic plates don&#039;t exist closer to the surface in Florida than they do in the central u.s lol
Also, why would it matter whether or not they analyzed the larger Earthquakes and not the smaller ones? You&#039;re saying that just because they&#039;re smaller, they must obviously be natural quakes...? Those points are unrelated.
Also, yes, they do fracking in the area. I live in Escambia county. If you look up &quot;fracking sites flomaton&quot; or &quot;oil fields jay&quot; in google maps you can see a number of them in the area of seismic activity. There is even a website specifically listing all fracking sites in the U.S, and you can zoom in on the area: https://www.drillingmaps.com/mobile.html

Lastly, when I say that fracking likely caused the quakes, I&#039;m referring to the entire process of fracking, which includes the disposal of wastewater like you just quoted from my source. It&#039;s a multi-step process: they drill down into the earth before injecting water, chemicals and sand at high pressures into the rock to eject gas or oil out the well. It&#039;s this step that&#039;s typically the culprit of induced quakes. According to studies, though, they have been caused by both the actual drilling and the high pressure injection of water, though the actual number of incidents is higher for the latter.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/10/human-induced-earthquakes-fracking-mining-video-spd/
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/energy/2015/07/150723-fracking-questions-answered/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@david hue green<br />
It wouldn&#8217;t matter whether or not it was in the central U.S where the quakes were being studied; natural earthquakes are caused by faults in the Earth (tectonic plates), whether they be ancient rifts or active tectonic plate borders. You&#8217;re not going to find faults only 5 km deep; most are no shallower than 10 km. Tectonic plates don&#8217;t exist closer to the surface in Florida than they do in the central u.s lol<br />
Also, why would it matter whether or not they analyzed the larger Earthquakes and not the smaller ones? You&#8217;re saying that just because they&#8217;re smaller, they must obviously be natural quakes&#8230;? Those points are unrelated.<br />
Also, yes, they do fracking in the area. I live in Escambia county. If you look up &#8220;fracking sites flomaton&#8221; or &#8220;oil fields jay&#8221; in google maps you can see a number of them in the area of seismic activity. There is even a website specifically listing all fracking sites in the U.S, and you can zoom in on the area: <a href="https://www.drillingmaps.com/mobile.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.drillingmaps.com/mobile.html</a></p>
<p>Lastly, when I say that fracking likely caused the quakes, I&#8217;m referring to the entire process of fracking, which includes the disposal of wastewater like you just quoted from my source. It&#8217;s a multi-step process: they drill down into the earth before injecting water, chemicals and sand at high pressures into the rock to eject gas or oil out the well. It&#8217;s this step that&#8217;s typically the culprit of induced quakes. According to studies, though, they have been caused by both the actual drilling and the high pressure injection of water, though the actual number of incidents is higher for the latter.<br />
<a href="https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/10/human-induced-earthquakes-fracking-mining-video-spd/" rel="nofollow">https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/10/human-induced-earthquakes-fracking-mining-video-spd/</a><br />
<a href="https://news.nationalgeographic.com/energy/2015/07/150723-fracking-questions-answered/" rel="nofollow">https://news.nationalgeographic.com/energy/2015/07/150723-fracking-questions-answered/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Funny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2019 11:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s probably the caravan digging their tunnels. They&#039;re just trying to make it up North.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s probably the caravan digging their tunnels. They&#8217;re just trying to make it up North.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2019 05:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee, do you know another word besides ridiculous?  The &quot;oilfield people&quot;? Showing your level of education. Have you investigated every oil field in our region? No.  Then your spouting nothing but the word ridiculous. Gary, that site is government run.  Do you think the government wants to paint fracking as bad? Of course not.  Do you think they want to make a lot money from the oil, gas and natural gas? Do you think they&#039;d ever post something untrue so that rich people could continue to profit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee, do you know another word besides ridiculous?  The &#8220;oilfield people&#8221;? Showing your level of education. Have you investigated every oil field in our region? No.  Then your spouting nothing but the word ridiculous. Gary, that site is government run.  Do you think the government wants to paint fracking as bad? Of course not.  Do you think they want to make a lot money from the oil, gas and natural gas? Do you think they&#8217;d ever post something untrue so that rich people could continue to profit?</p>
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		<title>By: David Huie Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Huie Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2019 03:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REGARDING:
&quot;All of these earthquakes have occurred 3 miles (5 km) deep. All natural quakes occur deeper than that.&quot;

Actually, that statement is false. The source cited 
( https://news.umich.edu/shake-it-up-human-induced-and-natural-earthquakes-in-central-u-s-are-inherently-similar/ )
says 
&quot;In the central U.S., more than half of the induced earthquakes were shallower than 5 kilometers (3.1 miles), while all of the naturally occurring earthquakes were deeper than 5 kilometers.&quot;

Florida is not part of the central U.S..

Also, 
&quot;The researchers analyzed natural and induced earthquakes with magnitudes between 3.8 and 5.8 in the central U.S. and eastern North America, comprising three populations.&quot;
So they wouldn&#039;t even look at little earthquakes like these.

AND
&quot;There’s a number of fracking sites in the area, so why wouldn&#039;t it be caused by fracking?&quot;

There are two major flaws with this statement/question:

#1 There are no fracking sites in the area.

and 

#2 As the cited study states: 
&quot;In some cases, wastewater disposal in deep wells is associated with hydraulic fracturing sites. However, studies suggest that the fracking process itself is rarely the direct cause of these earthquakes.&quot;

So even if there were -- even though there aren&#039;t -- fracking doesn&#039;t cause earthquakes.

By the way, the 1997 quake at 4.9 versus this little 2.3 quake was about 398 times as much energy released. [ 10^(4.9-2.3) = 398 ]

David for reading comprehension</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REGARDING:<br />
&#8220;All of these earthquakes have occurred 3 miles (5 km) deep. All natural quakes occur deeper than that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, that statement is false. The source cited<br />
( <a href="https://news.umich.edu/shake-it-up-human-induced-and-natural-earthquakes-in-central-u-s-are-inherently-similar/" rel="nofollow">https://news.umich.edu/shake-it-up-human-induced-and-natural-earthquakes-in-central-u-s-are-inherently-similar/</a> )<br />
says<br />
&#8220;In the central U.S., more than half of the induced earthquakes were shallower than 5 kilometers (3.1 miles), while all of the naturally occurring earthquakes were deeper than 5 kilometers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Florida is not part of the central U.S..</p>
<p>Also,<br />
&#8220;The researchers analyzed natural and induced earthquakes with magnitudes between 3.8 and 5.8 in the central U.S. and eastern North America, comprising three populations.&#8221;<br />
So they wouldn&#8217;t even look at little earthquakes like these.</p>
<p>AND<br />
&#8220;There’s a number of fracking sites in the area, so why wouldn&#8217;t it be caused by fracking?&#8221;</p>
<p>There are two major flaws with this statement/question:</p>
<p>#1 There are no fracking sites in the area.</p>
<p>and </p>
<p>#2 As the cited study states:<br />
&#8220;In some cases, wastewater disposal in deep wells is associated with hydraulic fracturing sites. However, studies suggest that the fracking process itself is rarely the direct cause of these earthquakes.&#8221;</p>
<p>So even if there were &#8212; even though there aren&#8217;t &#8212; fracking doesn&#8217;t cause earthquakes.</p>
<p>By the way, the 1997 quake at 4.9 versus this little 2.3 quake was about 398 times as much energy released. [ 10^(4.9-2.3) = 398 ]</p>
<p>David for reading comprehension</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2019 00:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John because that is ridiculous what proof do you have that injecting water into the ground is causing it? Where do you think they got the water from? If you don&#039;t know I will tell you from the same place they are putting it back. They pump oil and water out of the ground sell the oil and put the water back Fracking just sounds scary it&#039;s really very simple and safe don&#039;t believe the hype I worked in that oilfield for 6 year&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John because that is ridiculous what proof do you have that injecting water into the ground is causing it? Where do you think they got the water from? If you don&#8217;t know I will tell you from the same place they are putting it back. They pump oil and water out of the ground sell the oil and put the water back Fracking just sounds scary it&#8217;s really very simple and safe don&#8217;t believe the hype I worked in that oilfield for 6 year&#8217;s.</p>
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