Comments on: Florida House Backs High Profile ‘Fracking’ Oil Drilling Bill

By: rex stouffer

rex stouffer — Wed, 03 Feb 2016 02:55:58 +0000

You may certainly ask my wife. Whom I fervently believe would be in agreement with you.

By: David Huie Green

David Huie Green — Wed, 03 Feb 2016 01:59:46 +0000

REGARDING:
“Being skeptical is an obligation. Fervent belief? I reserve that for very, very few things.”

I agree with the first, am skeptical as to the latter.

David for proof

By: Rex S

Rex S — Tue, 02 Feb 2016 16:41:16 +0000

Being skeptical is an obligation. Fervent belief? I reserve that for very, very few things.

By: David Huie Green

David Huie Green — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 03:28:50 +0000

REGARDING:
” Lastly, isn’t it curious the Bald Eagle population has rebounded after the ban of DDT?”

The really curious thing is that eagle populations rebounded AFTER people started using DDT, not after they quit.

Per:
http://dwb.unl.edu/Teacher/NSF/C06/C06Links/www.altgreen.com.au/Chemicals/ddt.html

“In actuality, however, declines in bird populations either had occurred before DDT was present or had occured years after DDT’s use. A comparison of the annual Audubon Christmas Bird Counts between 1941 (pre-DDT) and 1960 (after DDT’s use had waned) reveals that at least 26 different kinds of birds became more numerous during those decades, the period of greatest DDT usage. The Audubon counts document an overall increase in birds seen per observer from 1941 to 1960, and statistical analyses of the Audubon data confirm the perceived increases. For example, only 197 bald eagles were documented in 1941; the number had increased to 891 in 1960.”

And as to cancer:
“In October 1997 the New England Journal of Medicine published a large, well-designed study that found no evidence that exposure to DDT and DDE increases the risk of breast cancer. In the accompanying editorial Dr. Steven Safe, a toxicologist at Texas A&M University, stated, “weakly estrogenic organochlorine compounds such as PCBs, DDT, and DDE are not a cause of breast cancer.” Dr. Sheila Zahm, deputy chief of the occupational epidemiology branch at the National Cancer Institute, agrees that the body of evidence that DDT can cause breast cancer “is not very compelling.” ”

David for building on truth, not lies

By: David Huie Green

David Huie Green — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 00:07:30 +0000

REGARDING:
“DDT is safe for humans, really? Then why do we have the Stockholm Convention banning the use of DDT except as a last resort for mosquito control and then only when all other safer methods are exhausted?”
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I stand corrected.
They did finally find a link for those with high exposure rates.
At the time it was banned, they had found no link and I believe the Stockholm Convention in 1995 was also before any real links were found.
(Could be wrong about that too.)

Conventions can be held for many reasons and have many agendas. They are not always supported by science. In fact, when one works the science afterward, one wonders if there is confirmation bias, but that could have been the case before, too. You see what you expect to see.

People bathed in DDT in Italy during WW2 to kill the fleas which were killing them by carrying other diseases. My uncle described dipping his hands in drums of DDT just as one would use soap nowadays.

One would think a strong link would have shown up in all of them.
It didn’t.
This still leaves me skeptical of the recent studies.

David for truth

By: Rex S.

Rex S. — Sun, 31 Jan 2016 20:00:47 +0000

Fracking has points of views from many groups either for or against it using their science to argue their case. My main point of contention is the debate has effectively been muted with the inclusion of no community being allowed to ban fracking. Period. No consensus allowed after each community weighs the pros and cons if it differs from our elected officials point of view in Tallahassee. Has there ever been a gathering of the local opinion regarding this issue done in a fair and balanced manner? Given the delicate balance of our local environment can you confidently say you can support or object fracking? It doesn’t matter now because our say is against the law but it should matter. Simply as a privilege of our rights.

By: Rex S

Rex S — Sun, 31 Jan 2016 16:59:42 +0000

Regarding:
DDT is safe for humans, really? Then why do we have the Stockholm Convention banning the use of DDT except as a last resort for mosquito control and then only when all other safer methods are exhausted? DDE the breakdown chemical of DDT in humans has been linked to cancer, birth defects etc in the USA where people were exposed to low levels of the pesticide. I think we can take Mexico off the list of countries using DDT as a first line of defense against malaria as they now control mosquitoes by reducing stagnate water, pyrethroid insecticides and other safer methods. Lastly, isn’t it curious the Bald Eagle population has rebounded after the ban of DDT? With the introduction of the Zika concerns I think DDT should be used but only as a last resort. Safe? About as much as Fracking!

By: David Huie Green

David Huie Green — Sat, 30 Jan 2016 05:23:52 +0000

One other thing, the fracking already done has already raised domestic production enough to greatly reduce dependence on Middle Eastern oil supplies. The wells so treated will continue to produce for years to come.

The basic procedures are not patented and producers around the world can and have improved THEIR production.

This has lowered the price enough that most fracking has stopped for now, but will remain available if OPEC ever tries to shaft us again.

This leaves them with less extra money to finance wars and terrorists

David for side benefits of technologies

By: David Huie Green

David Huie Green — Sat, 30 Jan 2016 05:13:19 +0000

REGARDING:
“When someone wants to put a mine near people I can just hear the cries of “not in my backyard”!”
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And yet gravel lakes are all over the place.
We fish in them.
We swim in them.
We picnic around them.
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Technically speaking, they are strip mines.

And we have also allowed oil and gas drilling all around us.

Truth overcomes false claims.

I see no reason for using hydraulic fracturing in Florida due to the geology, but many conflate acid jobs with fracking — totally different animals.

What most opponents have is a mixture of possible isolated problems misapplied and generalized, repeated back at each other repeatedly.

David for replacing Middle Eastern oil

By: David Huie Green

David Huie Green — Sat, 30 Jan 2016 04:47:53 +0000

REGARDING:
“by some supposed expert on the matter but the same can be said about experts that DDT was safe for crops too. ”

DDT is safe for crops.
Safe for humans according to the CDC, although they decided to list it as a “likely” carcinogen despite all medical histories of people who used it in large quantities never showing any such effect.
It was banned in the USA out of fear it made eggshells thinner.
I haven’t seen where even THAT claim was ever verified.
It killed mosquitoes which carried diseases which killed millions of people per year.
That’s why it is still used elsewhere around the world, including Mexico, to save lives by killing killers.

David for mosquito control