Comments on: Newly Paved, Crumbling Bratt Road To Be Fixed Under Warranty

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By: Margielu

Margielu — Fri, 04 Apr 2014 21:53:02 +0000

To ohwell…..no final thickness of 6″ is achieved in any less than two 3″ lifts. No need to nitpick, please. Agreed on cold mix….far too substandard to hold up to intended purpose. If…IF…that’s 1.5″ in the photo, I’d be shocked.

To our county: why do you feel our needs are met with substandard specs? How about someone who knows what they’re doing with regards to the project being done? Maybe a repuable LOCAL asphalt company such as ohwell’s???

By: bill

bill — Fri, 04 Apr 2014 20:30:01 +0000

Light duty paving typically consists of 6″ compacted sand/clay base with a 1-1/2″ compacted asphalt wearing surface. Roads and parking lots designed for heavy truck traffic will usually have more base and asphalt. FDOT roads will have inspectors but these light duty residential type roads usually don’t. It’s obvious that we do not have an inch and a half of asphalt here, since the sand/clay base is breaking though the surface of the asphalt. When I’ve contracted paving for large commercial parking lots, I would require that core samples are taken to insure proper thickness but in this case, it is not usually required. If I were the county engineer, I would watch Roads, Inc. closely, based on their track record.

By: Taxpayer

Taxpayer — Fri, 04 Apr 2014 13:54:25 +0000

Sho-nuff.–Most informed comment i’ve seen. As to the “Cold mix”, it doesnt exist. I’m sure it was a typo, “warm mix” is available in florida, nobody in a hundred miles uses it yet. OhWell- well said. But I am truly sorry I engaged in this debate. I amazed at how informed people think they are about everything these days, just because you have google and time on your hands. At least a few of you guys know whats really going on.

By: 429SCJ

429SCJ — Fri, 04 Apr 2014 11:35:06 +0000

Amen G.

Contracts should be written with specifications that will preclude that which we are seeing in the photograph. Field Inspections should be conducted before receiving reports are signed and payment made.

By: bartender

bartender — Fri, 04 Apr 2014 10:20:43 +0000

well if the county would spread the work with other contractors this wouldn’t happen.roads inc.has to much on there plate.county gives them all the work and there in such a hurry to go on to the next job.the engineers are just signing off on this jobs without even looking at it.its time for a change.the comminioner should be looking at these jobs to.but they to busy doing other stuff.they need to clean house and start fresh with people that knows the county. not one time do they ask the county workers how things should be done,they know more than anyone that that money is wasted.look at the fuel that’s wasted everyday.its not fair that some county workers drive a mile from there house,when the rest of them has to drive many miles buying there own gas.theres a lot of ways that they could save money just ask the employees.they could save the county millions od dollars but no one ask.

By: SHO-NUFF

SHO-NUFF — Fri, 04 Apr 2014 06:58:45 +0000

I am sure that more than one Engineer decided on the asphalt thickness needed to support the road traffic. Is it a lesser traveled road that lacks heavy log trucks and farm tractors on a regular basis?
A “Re-Do” is very expensive for the contractor and I seriously doubt they intentionally paved a substandard road.

The road surface usually fails from poor prep work of the road foundation.
Another problem in the area is ground water, or springs that can be under the road bed.
All of us that have spent much time driving on dirt roads can recall places that always stayed “Wet”, regardless of having months without rain. On a Federal or State level, these problems are mitigated with sub terrain drainage and an impervious barrier below the asphalt.

The money is simply not there to address these problems on a County budget. Its a farm to market road, not Interstate 10.
Be thankful it is indeed asphalt instead of the “Crush and Run” tar base the County attempted to pave the first dirt roads with that I lived on for years.
A pot hole is better than a constant mud hole any day.

By: g

Fri, 04 Apr 2014 03:55:26 +0000

The program managers are not to blame in this job, its called a ” county engineer”. Been there too long, plus Roads inc.is to blame. They need to rip it all up and start over but they will patch it, I will bet u money.

By: ohwell

ohwell — Fri, 04 Apr 2014 03:41:47 +0000

1 and a half inch of properly made asphalt is very sufficient for the traffic level of that road. I have constructed roads with an inch and a half 16 years ago that still look and ride great. 6″ lifts are not allowed anywhere I have ever seen as asphalt compaction cannot be achieved on lifts that thick and therefore would soon rut severely under light traffic. Cold mix is cheaper to produce than hot mix therefore should have provided a cost savings to the county. We must remember Escambia county does not build roads to state specs anymore. Cold mix is not allowed on FDOT projects as its durability is lower than that of hot mix. The asphalt is thin therefore its life cycle is even shorter. Pavement should be removed in both directions until design thickness is found. Then paved again at proper thickness and temperature. I am not guessing at this as I have been the asphalt business a long time.