You know, I don’t know how many buses ECAT runs each day or what the operating costs are – those are really good questions. I just thought that – given what I have seen in terms of people at the Rosa Parks terminal and on buses – your number of 150 rides per day seemed really low. And that 7-8 people per bus per day also seemed low.

You’re right that public transportation isn’t necessarily supposed to be profitable (in fact, I’m not sure there is a system that clears a profit) is well-made and definitely well-taken. I also have no skin in the game as I no longer reside in Pensacola, but I do know that route systems (like ECAT) are much cheaper to run than the dial-a-ride type services that counties (cities?) are required by law to provide. It’s why so many systems try to make their buses and stops ADA compliant.

Good conversation for sure, though! Thanks!

I am not a math expert either. I did forget to exclude the days ECAT does not run, but you did not factor in that that ECAT runs more than one bus. So using your ridership figures which mathematically may be more correct, you do come out to your figure of 5,381 rides per day.

I just took a swing and estimated that ECAT runs 20 buses per day so this results in the following equation:

5,381/20 = 269 (rounded) rides per day using 20 buses as a base number (it could be more or less obviously).

As I said, I don’t have any skin in the game I live in SR County, just doing the math and I apologize for my omission of the days they do not run. I’ve never ridden ECAT, I was just running numbers. I’d like to take it a step further to know the actual number of buses running, their acquisition costs, operating costs, and depreciation. That way we would have a more accurate figure of what it cost each of those 269 people to ride the bus each day. Of course, we would have to add in the fare they pay.

Have I left anything else out, admitting that my 20 bus figure was just a reasonable guess?

As an aside, public transportation is not necessarily supposed to be profitable, it is a service. But just for the sake of conversation, lets say it costs $3,000.00 per day to run the buses, or $150.00 per day including salaries, fuel, depreciation, maintenance, etc.. That results in this equation:

$3,000.00/269 = $11.00. That does not include the fare but lets say it is $2.00 so you would have 269 people paying $2.00 = $538.00 in income so net cost to operate would be $3,000.00 – $538 = $2,462.00 divided by 269 (number of riders) = $9.15 per rider.

Do you know how much the average fare is? Again, I just estimated.

Regards

I am no math expert, but I think there might be an error in your calculations…

ECAT doesn’t run on Sundays, and it also doesn’t run on Veterans’ Day, Thanksgiving Day, and Christmas Day. That brings the number of days ECAT was in service for the 4th quarter down to something like 75 days.

And I think you made the mistake of dividing too many times. By my math (which, again, might be off), if you take the 403,612 rides and divide by the number of days of service (roughly 75), that gives you 5,381 rides a day.

403,612/90 day (fourth quarter) = 4,485 rides per month

4,485 per month/30 (days in a month) = 150 rider per day (rounded)

Continual funding of this monstrosity is not financially feasible. Of course I live in SR Count so I do not have skin in the game, just running the numbers. Taking it a step further and making a wild guess that they have 20 buses so of the daily ride rate of 150 divide that by 20 = 7.5 people per bus per day. Really, someone needs to ride one of the major routes with a video camera to log the number of riders, same for the lesser used routes. I know some people are dependent on ECAT for work and such but ECAT could very likely be scaled way down.

Robert

Are the ECAT bus’s the same ones that provide free transportation on Pensacola Beach?

If the time has been to do the number of riders then we weed to see the total moneys collected for that time frame.

What percentage of the money collected goes to the union?

Call your county commissioners and thank them…I thank Grooooooooover once a week for that and allowing the trees to be removed along “not so Scenic Hwy”….

Happy Hearts Day to all…

More routes?
Faster point to point time?
Wi Fi on every bus?
Light rail service from Century to Pensacola?

I know most of the commentators on this site favor abolishment of the bus system, or remove it from public funding, but short of doing that, what would you like to see done?