Comments on: DOE Releases Teacher Data http://www.northescambia.com/2014/02/doe-releases-teacher-data Local News for Molino, Bratt, McDavid, Century, Walnut Hill, Cantonment Fri, 03 Apr 2026 18:45:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: David Huie Green http://www.northescambia.com/2014/02/doe-releases-teacher-data/comment-page-1#comment-254187 David Huie Green Wed, 26 Feb 2014 04:03:35 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=169805#comment-254187 Promotion Promotion

]]> By: David Huie Green http://www.northescambia.com/2014/02/doe-releases-teacher-data/comment-page-1#comment-254186 David Huie Green Wed, 26 Feb 2014 03:57:55 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=169805#comment-254186 Cushy, You wondered why some students are not moved forward each grade each year no matter what they did, what they learned, how they progressed. You didn't word it that way but that is still what you wondered. If the rewording didn't help you realize the answer, let's assume students were physically moved forward every year no matter where their minds are. The teacher assigns work the social promation students can't read or understand. The sp student is bored because nothing makes the least bit of sense. The sp student is mad at the other students who act like it is easy. The sp student starts to harass the other students, frightening them, diverting them from learning. Rather than being able to teach the other students, the teacher is forced to spend extra time on a student who either could not or would not learn the knowledge which is the foundation of everything which follows. The teacher becomes discouraged due to being forced to NOT teach those who wanted to learn but are getting discouraged by the waste of their time also. The general public realizes the sp students didn't learn and feel their money was wasted (which, of course, it was) they reduce support for public education. Eventually our society collapses due to the misguided belief failure to learn should mean nothing and have no consequences. David for a better world Cushy,
You wondered why some students are not moved forward each grade each year no matter what they did, what they learned, how they progressed. You didn’t word it that way but that is still what you wondered. If the rewording didn’t help you realize the answer, let’s assume students were physically moved forward every year no matter where their minds are.
The teacher assigns work the social promation students can’t read or understand.
The sp student is bored because nothing makes the least bit of sense.
The sp student is mad at the other students who act like it is easy.
The sp student starts to harass the other students, frightening them, diverting them from learning.
Rather than being able to teach the other students, the teacher is forced to spend extra time on a student who either could not or would not learn the knowledge which is the foundation of everything which follows.
The teacher becomes discouraged due to being forced to NOT teach those who wanted to learn but are getting discouraged by the waste of their time also.
The general public realizes the sp students didn’t learn and feel their money was wasted (which, of course, it was) they reduce support for public education.
Eventually our society collapses due to the misguided belief failure to learn should mean nothing and have no consequences.

David for a better world

]]> By: Dandy http://www.northescambia.com/2014/02/doe-releases-teacher-data/comment-page-1#comment-254179 Dandy Wed, 26 Feb 2014 01:49:17 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=169805#comment-254179 I love to read the comments also it seems to always be a childs fault or parents when the desire to learn is not there it seems teachers and others working in the schools are job scared to complain about these issues. The anger a lot of these children come from learned behavior atleast that's what a teacher told me once so if so many of our children have so many of the same behavior issues throughout the county who could be teaching them this. Mental health issues during the school year would be interesting to know how many student are referred? How many have to be medicated Monday though Friday not on weekends. Does anyone not find it strange that so many third graders have extra help practicing for the FCAT just to be held back. Who pays for extra time after school? It seems to be a money scam. Also teachers always complain about how many students they have maybe that needs to be looked into because if IEPs can't be followed because of over crowding maybe our districts can get some goverment help. I love to read the comments also it seems to always be a childs fault or parents when the desire to learn is not there it seems teachers and others working in the schools are job scared to complain about these issues. The anger a lot of these children come from learned behavior atleast that’s what a teacher told me once so if so many of our children have so many of the same behavior issues throughout the county who could be teaching them this. Mental health issues during the school year would be interesting to know how many student are referred? How many have to be medicated Monday though Friday not on weekends. Does anyone not find it strange that so many third graders have extra help practicing for the FCAT just to be held back. Who pays for extra time after school? It seems to be a money scam. Also teachers always complain about how many students they have maybe that needs to be looked into because if IEPs can’t be followed because of over crowding maybe our districts can get some goverment help.

]]> By: Susan http://www.northescambia.com/2014/02/doe-releases-teacher-data/comment-page-1#comment-254175 Susan Wed, 26 Feb 2014 00:58:19 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=169805#comment-254175 When the scores are released I am concerned that the general public will misunderstand the data. Your child can make adequate yearly progress (AYP) and still not make the Value Added Model (VAM). Many of our teachers don't understand this either. The VAM scores are based on a formula that was developed by a statistician from Tennessee. He was paid mega bucks to come up with this and it will take several years for everyone to see that it will not adequately evaluate teachers. Even Bill Gates through his foundation who helped pay for research on VAM has admitted that it should not be a major factor in evaluation. So if you really want to know how well your child does in school, make them pull out their papers and book and explain the daily lessons and if they don't, make an appointment with the teacher. When the scores are released I am concerned that the general public will misunderstand the data. Your child can make adequate yearly progress (AYP) and still not make the Value Added Model (VAM). Many of our teachers don’t understand this either. The VAM scores are based on a formula that was developed by a statistician from Tennessee. He was paid mega bucks to come up with this and it will take several years for everyone to see that it will not adequately evaluate teachers. Even Bill Gates through his foundation who helped pay for research on VAM has admitted that it should not be a major factor in evaluation. So if you really want to know how well your child does in school, make them pull out their papers and book and explain the daily lessons and if they don’t, make an appointment with the
teacher.

]]> By: No Excuses http://www.northescambia.com/2014/02/doe-releases-teacher-data/comment-page-1#comment-254134 No Excuses Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:51:06 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=169805#comment-254134 I enjoyed reading many of the pro-teacher comments. I am a teacher. I work with adults because I got out of public education many years back, due to the fact that I could see this coming, and I did not feel safe working with the students that I worked with. I stuck it out for 14 years, and they made progress (at least compared to where they were when I got them), but I would be one of those teachers who would "break even" even though I worked my fanny off for those kids. Some appreciated it, some did not. It all boils down to desire, as The Doer stated. If they want to learn, they will. If they need encouragement, we give it. We can't MAKE them learn. I am a staunch supporter of my public school teacher peers! You rock! Parents, if you want to know what's going on with your student's education, just ask. Most teachers are happy to let you know, and to let you know how YOU can help! I enjoyed reading many of the pro-teacher comments. I am a teacher. I work with adults because I got out of public education many years back, due to the fact that I could see this coming, and I did not feel safe working with the students that I worked with. I stuck it out for 14 years, and they made progress (at least compared to where they were when I got them), but I would be one of those teachers who would “break even” even though I worked my fanny off for those kids. Some appreciated it, some did not. It all boils down to desire, as The Doer stated. If they want to learn, they will. If they need encouragement, we give it. We can’t MAKE them learn. I am a staunch supporter of my public school teacher peers! You rock! Parents, if you want to know what’s going on with your student’s education, just ask. Most teachers are happy to let you know, and to let you know how YOU can help!

]]> By: Cushy http://www.northescambia.com/2014/02/doe-releases-teacher-data/comment-page-1#comment-254127 Cushy Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:15:44 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=169805#comment-254127 Children today are made to feel like failures look how many of them are held back it seems that is not the answer. Also look at how many children are put on meds because of issues with school. It was not like this 20 years ago. Holding children back doesn't seem to help so why are so many held back? Children today are made to feel like failures look how many of them are held back it seems that is not the answer. Also look at how many children are put on meds because of issues with school. It was not like this 20 years ago. Holding children back doesn’t seem to help so why are so many held back?

]]> By: S J Templeton http://www.northescambia.com/2014/02/doe-releases-teacher-data/comment-page-1#comment-254103 S J Templeton Tue, 25 Feb 2014 15:35:08 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=169805#comment-254103 I noticed Robert S. made the statement "After all, it is All About Perception". I would hope it is more about how well our kids are performing under certain educators as well as what is being taught, providing children with the tools to continue to be prepared for contribution to society and the economy. We, as parents need to determine what type of education our kids are receiving during school hours and is it preparing our children for life ahead. This includes math, English, science, history as well as government. We need to know where we came from to establish a sense of Country and why we need to continue to be the greatest Nation on Earth. I noticed Robert S. made the statement “After all, it is All About Perception”.

I would hope it is more about how well our kids are performing under certain educators as well as what is being taught, providing children with the tools to continue to be prepared for contribution to society and the economy.

We, as parents need to determine what type of education our kids are receiving during school hours and is it preparing our children for life ahead. This includes math, English, science, history as well as government. We need to know where we came from to establish a sense of Country and why we need to continue to be the greatest Nation on Earth.

]]> By: Robert S. http://www.northescambia.com/2014/02/doe-releases-teacher-data/comment-page-1#comment-254093 Robert S. Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:26:30 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=169805#comment-254093 "The Doer" is very much on point. Once again the Fla Legislature has demanded that some meaningless set of measures be used to determine the ability / worth / value of teachers. Very similar to the useless results from the FCAT and the "Whatever Test" is next to come up. Legislature feels too many kids don't meet the "standards" and Florida looks bad then simply change the pass / fail threshold until it looks good. After all, it is All About Perception. The Florida Legislature and their advisors (one a former governor) are doing their best to herd public school students into charter and private-public-funded schools where the standards are different. Teachers, You Are the BEST and no matter what stupid rules the Legislature comes up with you have my highest respect and appreciation. “The Doer” is very much on point.
Once again the Fla Legislature has demanded that some meaningless set of measures be used to determine the ability / worth / value of teachers.
Very similar to the useless results from the FCAT and the “Whatever Test” is next to come up. Legislature feels too many kids don’t meet the “standards” and Florida looks bad then simply change the pass / fail threshold until it looks good.
After all, it is All About Perception.
The Florida Legislature and their advisors (one a former governor) are doing their best to herd public school students into charter and private-public-funded schools where the standards are different.
Teachers, You Are the BEST and no matter what stupid rules the Legislature comes up with you have my highest respect and appreciation.

]]> By: THE DOER http://www.northescambia.com/2014/02/doe-releases-teacher-data/comment-page-1#comment-254074 THE DOER Tue, 25 Feb 2014 12:12:38 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=169805#comment-254074 The public will wake up when there are very few teachers left to teach our children! Experience matters, and those who are able are hanging it up. The VAM and all of the hoopla that is the so-called evaluation system never even addresses the one thing that matters most in a student's learning gains: DESIRE. So many people say that the teacher should be able to make the student want to learn. This can certainly happen with students who are in the middle and just need a little motivation, but when you have students who could care less about doing well in school, the results are total chaos. As a public educator in this county, I have been teaching for over 20 years, both advanced and regular-track. I have never, ever had so many students who are totally unmotivated; yet this apathy is going to decide my evaluation? Flawed indeed! The public will wake up when there are very few teachers left to teach our children! Experience matters, and those who are able are hanging it up. The VAM and all of the hoopla that is the so-called evaluation system never even addresses the one thing that matters most in a student’s learning gains: DESIRE.
So many people say that the teacher should be able to make the student want to learn. This can certainly happen with students who are in the middle and just need a little motivation, but when you have students who could care less about doing well in school, the results are total chaos. As a public educator in this county, I have been teaching for over 20 years, both advanced and regular-track. I have never, ever had so many students who are totally unmotivated; yet this apathy is going to decide my evaluation? Flawed indeed!

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