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	<title>Comments on: Century To Explore Natural Gas Vehicle Conversions, Filling Station</title>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2013/08/century-to-explore-natural-gas-vehicle-conversions-filling-station/comment-page-1#comment-220006</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;ll wait for the Mr. Fusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;ll wait for the Mr. Fusion.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2013/08/century-to-explore-natural-gas-vehicle-conversions-filling-station/comment-page-1#comment-219902</link>
		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Aug 2013 02:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are several issues that make this one smell a little fishy.  First, the range of natural gas vehicles is severely limited, and it&#039;s  questionable whether a natural gas vehicle would make it to Pensacola or Mobile and back without a fill up. Second, if these vehicles were financially feasible, auto makers would be rolling them out, and private enterprise would be building natural gas filling stations on every corner.If Century does a true actuary study of this issue, I&#039;m sure they will find that it is impossible for the tax payers to ever get their investment back on this enterprise.  This is another one where the tax payers stand to lose a bunch of money, and the money lenders and developers win.  There is a basic rule of government spending though, if you don&#039;t spend lots of money, the potential for kickbacks is very limited</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are several issues that make this one smell a little fishy.  First, the range of natural gas vehicles is severely limited, and it&#8217;s  questionable whether a natural gas vehicle would make it to Pensacola or Mobile and back without a fill up. Second, if these vehicles were financially feasible, auto makers would be rolling them out, and private enterprise would be building natural gas filling stations on every corner.If Century does a true actuary study of this issue, I&#8217;m sure they will find that it is impossible for the tax payers to ever get their investment back on this enterprise.  This is another one where the tax payers stand to lose a bunch of money, and the money lenders and developers win.  There is a basic rule of government spending though, if you don&#8217;t spend lots of money, the potential for kickbacks is very limited</p>
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		<title>By: David Huie Green</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2013/08/century-to-explore-natural-gas-vehicle-conversions-filling-station/comment-page-1#comment-219814</link>
		<dc:creator>David Huie Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2013 16:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CONSIDERING:
“10-15 thousand dollars more for a new vehicle on cng.
5-6 thousand dollars to convert a vehicle to cng.”

Yep, so let us assume $15,000 more. What else shall we assume? 10,000 miles per year? 20 mpg equivalent? That would be 500 gallons per year. Assume current difference ($3.60 per gallon - $2.20 per gallon equivalent = $1.40 per gallon saved or $700 savings per year.)

At that rate, it would take more than 21 years to break even. (not counting interest) Lower end would be a third of that and even then still take more than 7 years to break even.

This could be offset by greater vehicle longevity, not having to replace a car as often but with vehicles lasting more than 200,000 miles already, it might not be much of a factor.

Gasoline prices could drop or go up. 
Natural gas prices could rise or drop. 
You might drive more or less than 10,000 miles per year.

Bigger vehicles which get poor fuel economy and cover many miles would pay off most quickly.

We shall see.

David for Mr. Fusion powered cars</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CONSIDERING:<br />
“10-15 thousand dollars more for a new vehicle on cng.<br />
5-6 thousand dollars to convert a vehicle to cng.”</p>
<p>Yep, so let us assume $15,000 more. What else shall we assume? 10,000 miles per year? 20 mpg equivalent? That would be 500 gallons per year. Assume current difference ($3.60 per gallon &#8211; $2.20 per gallon equivalent = $1.40 per gallon saved or $700 savings per year.)</p>
<p>At that rate, it would take more than 21 years to break even. (not counting interest) Lower end would be a third of that and even then still take more than 7 years to break even.</p>
<p>This could be offset by greater vehicle longevity, not having to replace a car as often but with vehicles lasting more than 200,000 miles already, it might not be much of a factor.</p>
<p>Gasoline prices could drop or go up.<br />
Natural gas prices could rise or drop.<br />
You might drive more or less than 10,000 miles per year.</p>
<p>Bigger vehicles which get poor fuel economy and cover many miles would pay off most quickly.</p>
<p>We shall see.</p>
<p>David for Mr. Fusion powered cars</p>
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		<title>By: jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2013 11:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CNG has been around in other countries...can&#039;t believe we are just starting to build CNG filling stations! We need more of these to make the CNG cars &quot;sale-able&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CNG has been around in other countries&#8230;can&#8217;t believe we are just starting to build CNG filling stations! We need more of these to make the CNG cars &#8220;sale-able&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: ok</title>
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		<dc:creator>ok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2013 10:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget David....
10-15 thousand dollars more for a new vehicle on cng.
5-6 thousand dollars to convert a vehicle to cng.
Regular tank inspections, which probably are not free.

The system does work well, about equal mileage. But at todays costs it could take 10 yrs for you to make up the difference on your vehicle.

I know it has to start somewhere to slowly bring these costs down and quickly make cng costs go up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget David&#8230;.<br />
10-15 thousand dollars more for a new vehicle on cng.<br />
5-6 thousand dollars to convert a vehicle to cng.<br />
Regular tank inspections, which probably are not free.</p>
<p>The system does work well, about equal mileage. But at todays costs it could take 10 yrs for you to make up the difference on your vehicle.</p>
<p>I know it has to start somewhere to slowly bring these costs down and quickly make cng costs go up.</p>
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		<title>By: David Huie Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Huie Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2013 05:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ANSWERING:
“I’m interested in seeing what kind of mileage they get, and annual costs compared to gasoline. “

Consumer reports at

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/03/the-natural-gas-alternative/index.htm

says Honda sells CNG Civics new, claims a maximum range of  250 miles but the low fuel indicator kicks in around 130 miles. (They have a lot of information including possible home refueling systems.)

“Local” fuel cost is currently around $2.20/per gasoline gallon equivalent. They say fueling from home takes all night and currently has some moisture problems but is even cheaper than station prices. They don’t say how much cheaper.


&quot;I’m also wondering how easy it is to find filling stations. I can’t see it being very easy making a cross country run without knowing where you can fill up.&quot;

It&#039;s hard; they are few and far between. 
According to 

http://www.cngprices.com/station_map.php

after Pensacola, your nearest sources would be 
Valdosta, Georgia, 
Tuscalosa, Alabama, 
Jackson Mississippi, 
Kenner, Louisiana. 
Right now, your best hope would be if you intended it for local driving and then only if you normally drive near Pine Forest Road in Pensacola or they open one in Century. 

David for improvements</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ANSWERING:<br />
“I’m interested in seeing what kind of mileage they get, and annual costs compared to gasoline. “</p>
<p>Consumer reports at</p>
<p><a href="http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/03/the-natural-gas-alternative/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/03/the-natural-gas-alternative/index.htm</a></p>
<p>says Honda sells CNG Civics new, claims a maximum range of  250 miles but the low fuel indicator kicks in around 130 miles. (They have a lot of information including possible home refueling systems.)</p>
<p>“Local” fuel cost is currently around $2.20/per gasoline gallon equivalent. They say fueling from home takes all night and currently has some moisture problems but is even cheaper than station prices. They don’t say how much cheaper.</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m also wondering how easy it is to find filling stations. I can’t see it being very easy making a cross country run without knowing where you can fill up.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard; they are few and far between.<br />
According to </p>
<p><a href="http://www.cngprices.com/station_map.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.cngprices.com/station_map.php</a></p>
<p>after Pensacola, your nearest sources would be<br />
Valdosta, Georgia,<br />
Tuscalosa, Alabama,<br />
Jackson Mississippi,<br />
Kenner, Louisiana.<br />
Right now, your best hope would be if you intended it for local driving and then only if you normally drive near Pine Forest Road in Pensacola or they open one in Century. </p>
<p>David for improvements</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Aug 2013 18:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know someone who has a converted vehicle?  I&#039;m interested in seeing what kind of mileage they get, and annual costs compared to gasoline.  

I&#039;m also wondering how easy it is to find filling stations.  I can&#039;t see it being very easy making a cross country run without knowing where you can fill up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know someone who has a converted vehicle?  I&#8217;m interested in seeing what kind of mileage they get, and annual costs compared to gasoline.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also wondering how easy it is to find filling stations.  I can&#8217;t see it being very easy making a cross country run without knowing where you can fill up.</p>
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		<title>By: cpgone1</title>
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		<dc:creator>cpgone1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Aug 2013 18:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, Lets try anything to get off imported oil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, Lets try anything to get off imported oil</p>
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		<title>By: David Huie Green</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2013/08/century-to-explore-natural-gas-vehicle-conversions-filling-station/comment-page-1#comment-219649</link>
		<dc:creator>David Huie Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Aug 2013 18:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>energy independence from Middle East
domestic energy supply increasing
lower cost per mile
better engine life
no four cent per gallon tax
safer than gasoline
safer than diesel
infrastructure for the future
fewer greenhouse gas emissions

Once again Century is on the forefront of the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>energy independence from Middle East<br />
domestic energy supply increasing<br />
lower cost per mile<br />
better engine life<br />
no four cent per gallon tax<br />
safer than gasoline<br />
safer than diesel<br />
infrastructure for the future<br />
fewer greenhouse gas emissions</p>
<p>Once again Century is on the forefront of the future.</p>
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		<title>By: nudo7</title>
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		<dc:creator>nudo7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Aug 2013 14:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waste of time....money... Who&#039;s going to support it?  Cant even get water bills correct.  Work on basic issues first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waste of time&#8230;.money&#8230; Who&#8217;s going to support it?  Cant even get water bills correct.  Work on basic issues first.</p>
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