Comments on: Sheriff Makes Late Offer To Keep Control Of The Escambia Jail http://www.northescambia.com/2013/07/sheriff-makes-late-offer-to-keep-control-of-the-escambia-jail Local News for Molino, Bratt, McDavid, Century, Walnut Hill, Cantonment Sat, 11 Apr 2026 17:01:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Rick http://www.northescambia.com/2013/07/sheriff-makes-late-offer-to-keep-control-of-the-escambia-jail/comment-page-1#comment-217917 Rick Thu, 25 Jul 2013 18:26:17 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=146404#comment-217917 To Oversight; I, for one, am really glad that was your last word! Local yokel jail, indeed! To Oversight; I, for one, am really glad that was your last word! Local yokel jail, indeed!

]]> By: jeeperman http://www.northescambia.com/2013/07/sheriff-makes-late-offer-to-keep-control-of-the-escambia-jail/comment-page-1#comment-217838 jeeperman Thu, 25 Jul 2013 13:06:02 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=146404#comment-217838 You Morgan haters need to get over the fact that whom ever the Sheriff is, must have prior experience in law enforcement. Todays Sheriff''s (not just ours) are not the same as 50 years ago. They are administrators, bureaucrats, etc. that need to administrate and manage the operation and play politics in a multi-million dollar operation. They do not need to have had experience in arresting anyone or patrol duty or walking a beat, etc. You Morgan haters need to get over the fact that whom ever the Sheriff is, must have prior experience in law enforcement.
Todays Sheriff’’s (not just ours) are not the same as 50 years ago.
They are administrators, bureaucrats, etc. that need to administrate and manage the operation and play politics in a multi-million dollar operation.
They do not need to have had experience in arresting anyone or patrol duty or walking a beat, etc.

]]> By: Oversight http://www.northescambia.com/2013/07/sheriff-makes-late-offer-to-keep-control-of-the-escambia-jail/comment-page-1#comment-217782 Oversight Thu, 25 Jul 2013 02:22:18 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=146404#comment-217782 This is my last comment on this topic... clueless wrote, "You would know that the inmates are already classified when the prison gets them" Really? And I'm sure you never search inmates that are brought in because the police officer says that they've been searched, right? Prisons are in the classification business, because local jailers make mistakes. Each facility has trained classifiers who evaluate every inmate upon intake. So I'm not sure if you know what you're talking about. As for the local jail, many customers are repeat offenders who have known track records; this should make your classification rather simple. "You speak as though you know how to run a jail and there is no comparison." Actually there are many similarities. However, a prison is much harder to run than a local yokel jail, which offers few if any programs. "The county road prison is no comparison." How can you say that with a straight face as you just down graded the corrections officers at the road prison. The task of care, control and custody of inmates is the same and all jailers go to the same state corrections school, where they receive the same training. "If you are a warden then I’m sure that you sat behind your desk and made twice what your employees made so no skin off your back right?" You assumed wrongly again! I toured my facility and personally meet with those in disciplinary segregation daily. Does your sheriff do this? My guess is he does not. Also, I made closer to three or four of five times more than starting line officers. And your beef with that is? Doesn't your sheriff make three or four times what the starting jailer makes, with his $140K salary? Look, the current sheriff had no jail experience the day he took over. So saying that he is the best at running the jail is a far stretch. As for how the sheriff's office regained the jail years ago, I'm sure it had something to do with good old boy politics knowing E"scam"bia County. But when Morgan went to the board with his $18 million demand or else, he sold out his integrity with this bold faced lie to the public. This is my last comment on this topic…

clueless wrote, “You would know that the inmates are already classified when the prison gets them” Really? And I’m sure you never search inmates that are brought in because the police officer says that they’ve been searched, right? Prisons are in the classification business, because local jailers make mistakes. Each facility has trained classifiers who evaluate every inmate upon intake. So I’m not sure if you know what you’re talking about. As for the local jail, many customers are repeat offenders who have known track records; this should make your classification rather simple.

“You speak as though you know how to run a jail and there is no comparison.” Actually there are many similarities. However, a prison is much harder to run than a local yokel jail, which offers few if any programs.

“The county road prison is no comparison.” How can you say that with a straight face as you just down graded the corrections officers at the road prison. The task of care, control and custody of inmates is the same and all jailers go to the same state corrections school, where they receive the same training.

“If you are a warden then I’m sure that you sat behind your desk and made twice what your employees made so no skin off your back right?” You assumed wrongly again! I toured my facility and personally meet with those in disciplinary segregation daily. Does your sheriff do this? My guess is he does not. Also, I made closer to three or four of five times more than starting line officers. And your beef with that is? Doesn’t your sheriff make three or four times what the starting jailer makes, with his $140K salary?

Look, the current sheriff had no jail experience the day he took over. So saying that he is the best at running the jail is a far stretch. As for how the sheriff’s office regained the jail years ago, I’m sure it had something to do with good old boy politics knowing E”scam”bia County. But when Morgan went to the board with his $18 million demand or else, he sold out his integrity with this bold faced lie to the public.

]]> By: clueless http://www.northescambia.com/2013/07/sheriff-makes-late-offer-to-keep-control-of-the-escambia-jail/comment-page-1#comment-217763 clueless Wed, 24 Jul 2013 22:26:54 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=146404#comment-217763 Oversight, if you are a retired warden, which I doubt, you would know that there is a big difference in running a jail as to a prison. You would know that the inmates are already classified when the prison gets them When they come to jail they are not. You speak as though you know how to run a jail and there is no comparison. As far as raises go, the price if health insurance is so different that it will cost me 100 more to keep that. If you are a warden then I'm sure that you sat behind your desk and made twice what your employees made so no skin off your back right? The sheriff is doing a top knitch job at running the jail. The county road prison is no comparison. CRP staff, this does not mean that you don't have a great task at your facility. I'm saying that the general public has not got a clue as to the depth of the responsibility that the sheriff endures and the county commissioners gave it back one time already due to the expences that accrued. That was before computers and added expense. Oversight, if you are a retired warden, which I doubt, you would know that there is a big difference in running a jail as to a prison. You would know that the inmates are already classified when the prison gets them
When they come to jail they are not. You speak as though you know how to run a jail and there is no comparison. As far as raises go, the price if health insurance is so different that it will cost me 100 more to keep that. If you are a warden then I’m sure that you sat behind your desk and made twice what your employees made so no skin off your back right? The sheriff is doing a top knitch job at running the jail. The county road prison is no comparison. CRP staff, this does not mean that you don’t have a great task at your facility. I’m saying that the general public has not got a clue as to the depth of the responsibility that the sheriff endures and the county commissioners gave it back one time already due to the expences that accrued. That was before computers and added expense.

]]> By: granny http://www.northescambia.com/2013/07/sheriff-makes-late-offer-to-keep-control-of-the-escambia-jail/comment-page-1#comment-217718 granny Wed, 24 Jul 2013 17:06:48 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=146404#comment-217718 Have seen a lot of sheriffs come and go but I haven't seen anything on about why this sheriff has let his crew get so low other then he wanted to train everybody at one time. He has about 15 officers to hire and he is just sitting on it. Would that not help with the jail business? Have seen a lot of sheriffs come and go but I haven’t seen anything on about why this sheriff has let his crew get so low other then he wanted to train everybody at one time. He has about 15 officers to hire and he is just sitting on it. Would that not help with the jail business?

]]> By: jeeperman http://www.northescambia.com/2013/07/sheriff-makes-late-offer-to-keep-control-of-the-escambia-jail/comment-page-1#comment-217692 jeeperman Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:45:57 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=146404#comment-217692 Transfer of the jail to the BOCC does not make the expense to comply with the DOJ requirements go away. In fact, the expenses will be more if the BOCC takes over. Wait and see. Transfer of the jail to the BOCC does not make the expense to comply with the DOJ requirements go away.
In fact, the expenses will be more if the BOCC takes over.
Wait and see.

]]> By: aam http://www.northescambia.com/2013/07/sheriff-makes-late-offer-to-keep-control-of-the-escambia-jail/comment-page-1#comment-217688 aam Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:17:27 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=146404#comment-217688 Well Doug Masters it is obvious that you have a relative or work for the Sheriff's office. Believe me I am grateful for all of the deputies that serve our county. I do have a good job and pay for my gas. I made an honest suggestion to save the county money and you don't like it so lets make it voluntary to pay on your property tax a place you can give to the gas fund. All of your reasons to have them drive the cars still doesn't justify it for me (sorry) I do want to send out a big thank you to all of the Deputies for watching over our citizens, even those that don't agree with some of their policies. Well Doug Masters it is obvious that you have a relative or work for the Sheriff’s office. Believe me I am grateful for all of the deputies that serve our county. I do have a good job and pay for my gas. I made an honest suggestion to save the county money and you don’t like it so lets make it voluntary to pay on your property tax a place you can give to the gas fund. All of your reasons to have them drive the cars still doesn’t justify it for me (sorry)
I do want to send out a big thank you to all of the Deputies for watching over our citizens, even those that don’t agree with some of their policies.

]]> By: Lucy http://www.northescambia.com/2013/07/sheriff-makes-late-offer-to-keep-control-of-the-escambia-jail/comment-page-1#comment-217686 Lucy Wed, 24 Jul 2013 12:58:31 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=146404#comment-217686 LegalEagle - thanks for the morning chuckle!!!! LegalEagle – thanks for the morning chuckle!!!!

]]> By: Oversight http://www.northescambia.com/2013/07/sheriff-makes-late-offer-to-keep-control-of-the-escambia-jail/comment-page-1#comment-217683 Oversight Wed, 24 Jul 2013 12:31:02 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=146404#comment-217683 clueless... I've been a prison warden and have since retired from federal service. How about you? Running a facility is not rocket science and the county commission has the ability to run the jail. Besides, there is experience with the board; the BOCC currently operates a work camp/road prison. Also, county commission's corrections officers get paid more than sheriff's jailers. So with the commission's takeover, jail employees will get a raise. Face it. The sheriff tried to strong arm the taxpayers for $18M and the county commission called his bluff. What will happen next year if the board relents, another power shake-down for more money by the sheriff? To avoid this, the BOCC stay the course and continue with the jail's transfer. clueless… I’ve been a prison warden and have since retired from federal service. How about you? Running a facility is not rocket science and the county commission has the ability to run the jail. Besides, there is experience with the board; the BOCC currently operates a work camp/road prison. Also, county commission’s corrections officers get paid more than sheriff’s jailers. So with the commission’s takeover, jail employees will get a raise.

Face it. The sheriff tried to strong arm the taxpayers for $18M and the county commission called his bluff. What will happen next year if the board relents, another power shake-down for more money by the sheriff? To avoid this, the BOCC stay the course and continue with the jail’s transfer.

]]> By: Doug Masters http://www.northescambia.com/2013/07/sheriff-makes-late-offer-to-keep-control-of-the-escambia-jail/comment-page-1#comment-217627 Doug Masters Wed, 24 Jul 2013 03:14:53 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=146404#comment-217627 Chief, Be a chief and do the research yourself. Those studies can be found on the internet. Their not hard to find. Remember hurricane Ivan. All hands were on deck for a month afterward. It is called alpha-bravo shifts. How about hurricane Katrina. Every officer that was not working here, volunteered to go to Mississippi to assist over there. Their take home cars were used to serve and protect on 18 hour shifts. It will happen anytime a hurricane gets close to this area. I'm not saying that some officers don't abuse the privilege. But, just like everything else in this country, you can't punish the masses for a few violators. Deal with those individuals as individuals. Take the cars from the officers and you will see more officers leave this area. They are already leaving in record numbers due to low pay. Cutting into emergency response time when you or your family need it. Most agency policies allow for an officer to live in the same county or the next one to the employing agency. Some agencies allow a specified max distance; ex. 100 miles. If you people don't want to pay to provide all the possible tools and equipment to your protectors to provide security for your, then move. There are other counties and cities that don't provide take home cars to their officers. Those counties usually have much higher starting salaries. Those officers are putting their lives on the line everyday for $35,000 a year. Now you want to take privileges from them too and then demand more protection and faster response times. Sounds like you all should strap on a badge and gun and try to do their job with less. You all wouldn't last one day without demanding more. Chief,
Be a chief and do the research yourself. Those studies can be found on the internet. Their not hard to find. Remember hurricane Ivan. All hands were on deck for a month afterward. It is called alpha-bravo shifts. How about hurricane Katrina. Every officer that was not working here, volunteered to go to Mississippi to assist over there. Their take home cars were used to serve and protect on 18 hour shifts. It will happen anytime a hurricane gets close to this area. I’m not saying that some officers don’t abuse the privilege. But, just like everything else in this country, you can’t punish the masses for a few violators. Deal with those individuals as individuals. Take the cars from the officers and you will see more officers leave this area. They are already leaving in record numbers due to low pay. Cutting into emergency response time when you or your family need it. Most agency policies allow for an officer to live in the same county or the next one to the employing agency. Some agencies allow a specified max distance; ex. 100 miles. If you people don’t want to pay to provide all the possible tools and equipment to your protectors to provide security for your, then move. There are other counties and cities that don’t provide take home cars to their officers. Those counties usually have much higher starting salaries. Those officers are putting their lives on the line everyday for $35,000 a year. Now you want to take privileges from them too and then demand more protection and faster response times. Sounds like you all should strap on a badge and gun and try to do their job with less. You all wouldn’t last one day without demanding more.

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