Comments on: 4-H Task Force Completes Report On Potential Future Locations

By: sarah

sarah — Thu, 04 Jul 2013 13:37:48 +0000

>Mr. David Lamb,
Please let me and my family know where and when to sign any petitions, but we all better hurry as Dr. Place from IFAS, University of Florida will be making his decision soon!

By: david lamb

david lamb — Wed, 03 Jul 2013 16:27:16 +0000

Pastshower of livestock…. Your comments were good with one exception…. Legaldocuments and steps already in place prevents any monies in the 4H funds to be utilized by anyone except Escambia 4H. Any oother use would be punishable and heads would roll!

dontwastetax$$…. Bayer is not that far, Northern enders traveled to LBC on a regular basis in the past and have to travel to Pcola for business. Not that big of a problem. County Commissioners are interested in busing inner city youth to Bayer if we can get it bought. putting a livestock facility in town would rouse zoning issues, neighbors would complain of noise and smell…. not feasable! The Pensacola Fair is not county owned. It is private and always has been owned by the Frenkel family, even when on Fairfield Drive. Not feasable!

Mark Clabaugh. Great piece… my sentiments exactly! Bayer list of things to do would take up pages. A win-win for Escambia 4H. Parents are not the problem.It is interferring Chamber of Commerce, and other”civic minded” individuals supporting IFAS in its controlling ways!

Ii am going to suggest two 2 petition drives… one for 4H members only and one for 4H alumni, family members and those that are partial to Escambia 4H.

By: a concerned parent

a concerned parent — Wed, 03 Jul 2013 15:43:08 +0000

I agree with Molino Jim. the Bayer property is available, and is what the 4-H needs. It should be 4-H property, not county property, with 4-H overseers caring for it & attending it, not county folks. Our county commissioners certainly don’t need to be involved. They don’t seem to do so well with what they do control. Talking about being so far from the kids in other areas, Langley Bell wasn’t the closes to all the kids either. This property in Molino seems to have just what the 4-H needs!!

By: Past Shower of Livestock

Past Shower of Livestock — Wed, 03 Jul 2013 02:30:36 +0000

Whatever money the county does not put into the purchase of the land will go into Escambia County’s hands. They want the cheapest possible choice, not the choice that has the 4-h’ers and FFA group’s best interest in mind. The Langley Bell Center offers children a place to learn and develop lifelong skills. It also provides a safe place for gathering for that group. America was founded on agriculture. Why not keep a healthy interest in that field? America does not produce the most goods or oil, but we can produce food. Why encourage jobs without agriculture? Without agriculture we cannot do anything self sufficient as a country. Keeping the 4-h’ers on the best possible facilities is an investment in the future of our country.

By: molino jim

molino jim — Tue, 02 Jul 2013 21:58:49 +0000

@Mark– there is a large amount of politics involved. Some of the people who are pushing for the county to build new buildings and so on have never had a kid in 4-H. Add to that they have had nothing to do with 4-H or farming or ag. of any sort. @dontwastetax$$- based on your post I guess we need to build a new 4-H complex on the Main St ECUA property. I know there are young people who live on NAS and on the south west part of the county and it would be a long drive. How about the kids who would have to drive south as we had to when we were 4-H parents taking kids to the Bell property?

By: dontwastetax$$

dontwastetax$$ — Tue, 02 Jul 2013 18:36:41 +0000

i don;’t think we are looking at the big picture. if they go with the Bayer property, that is cutting out all the young people in the south part of the county. No kids parents that live on hwy 98 are going to haul them all the way up to Bayer. Unless you plan on having ecat go there. Seems kinda shelfish if you ask me. It needs to be near the population center. I say use the fairgrounds thats what the fair came from anyway. But that won’t happen, this is all about money not the kids..

By: Mark Clabaugh

Mark Clabaugh — Tue, 02 Jul 2013 15:32:05 +0000

Personally, the Bayer property is by far the best of all worlds, ponds, fishing, farming, livestock, greenhouses… the potential for that land is unlimited. There is AG land that provides opportunities for collaborative work with the University of Florida… the buildings potential is limitless.

I do not see how politics are playing any role, I think it is caring people wanting the best possible future for 4-H. Furthermore, 4-H could offer more peaking the interest of more children to participate. Imagine the camps, the activities that could be a part of that property.

I think the problem is busy body parents, not the children or the people trying to get the best possible option.

By: david lamb

david lamb — Mon, 01 Jul 2013 19:28:51 +0000

LBC was not on tax rolls and its sell to Navy Federal will probably be tax exempt too. Its saving grace is that the economic impact that Navy Federal will have on Escambia county makes it a plus!
Buying Bayer will only replace what was taken from the kids so there will be a net effect of (0) on the tax rolls.
Kids were required to vote on LBC sale due to 1943 Deed. IFAS conveniently made sure that kids lost any chance to vote on new land by developing an MOU that took away their rights. WELL DONE, IFAS!

By: jeeperman

jeeperman — Mon, 01 Jul 2013 17:13:10 +0000

I think what southerner is saying is the government/4H should not be buying property that is currently on paying property taxes.
It is not what money is being spent, it is what is being bought.
And I agree with him, obtain space that is already not on the tax rolls instead of taking more off.

By: Southerner

Southerner — Mon, 01 Jul 2013 15:32:13 +0000

This came from a University Of Florida site:

What is 4-H?
4-H is the non-formal educational youth development program of the University of Florida IFAS (Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences) and Florida Extension. 4-H is the nation’s LARGEST youth development program and the only one that is university based.