Comments on: Evers Wins Ethanol-Free Gas Victory http://www.northescambia.com/2013/04/evers-wins-ethanol-free-gas-victory Local News for Molino, Bratt, McDavid, Century, Walnut Hill, Cantonment Mon, 06 Apr 2026 20:16:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Restore Freedom http://www.northescambia.com/2013/04/evers-wins-ethanol-free-gas-victory/comment-page-1#comment-209158 Restore Freedom Sun, 09 Jun 2013 14:25:59 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=136229#comment-209158 Etanol program is supported by ill informed people. 1.Effect on your car No auto manufacturer recommends the use of ethanol. Many void or limit warranties if you burn ethanol. Many videos showing harmful effects on all car parts coming in contact with ethanol are available. 2.. Effect on Grocery Prices Pay attention to prices at the grocery store. Ethanol increases the manufacturing cost of virtually every item you purchase at the grocery story due to a. higher transportation costs and 2. higher raw costs of all grains, corn sugar as an additive, meat prices across the board (which are now at least double pre-ethanol prices. Many Americans struggle to afford food - as evidenced by almost 1/2 our population on Food Stamps. 3. Effect on International Politics (developing nations) We are arrogant enough to burn corn in our gas tanks which has doubled and tripled the cost of food to all nations and devastate Third World nations that rely on grains to feed their populations. Most of their GDP now has to be focused simply on food which takes financial resources away from Health and education programs. No disputing that we are not seen in an increasingly negative light. 4. Effect on the environment There is no carbon benefit to Etanol vs. Petrobased fuel. - factor in cost to plant and harvest corn, transport it to the ethanol plants and producing the liquid. And it takes 10 gallons of fresh water to produce one gallon of ethanol. Do the math and calculate what this means to our nation's increasingly scarce fersh water resources. We need to eliminate the need for Middle East oil. Partner with Canada to deveop a North Aerican Energy partnership. Eliminate the need to send our Military men and women into harms way to defend world energy supplies. Etanol program is supported by ill informed people.

1.Effect on your car
No auto manufacturer recommends the use of ethanol.
Many void or limit warranties if you burn ethanol.
Many videos showing harmful effects on all car parts coming in contact with ethanol are available.

2.. Effect on Grocery Prices
Pay attention to prices at the grocery store.
Ethanol increases the manufacturing cost of virtually every item you purchase at the grocery story due to a. higher transportation costs and 2. higher raw costs of all grains, corn sugar as an additive, meat prices across the board (which are now at least double pre-ethanol prices. Many Americans struggle to afford food – as evidenced by almost 1/2 our population on Food Stamps.

3. Effect on International Politics (developing nations)
We are arrogant enough to burn corn in our gas tanks which has doubled and tripled the cost of food to all nations and devastate Third World nations that rely on grains to feed their populations. Most of their GDP now has to be focused simply on food which takes financial resources away from Health and education programs. No disputing that we are not seen in an increasingly negative light.

4. Effect on the environment
There is no carbon benefit to Etanol vs. Petrobased fuel. – factor in cost to plant and harvest corn, transport it to the ethanol plants and producing the liquid.
And it takes 10 gallons of fresh water to produce one gallon of ethanol. Do the math and calculate what this means to our nation’s increasingly scarce fersh water resources.

We need to eliminate the need for Middle East oil. Partner with Canada to deveop a North Aerican Energy partnership. Eliminate the need to send our Military men and women into harms way to defend world energy supplies.

]]> By: Brad Krohn http://www.northescambia.com/2013/04/evers-wins-ethanol-free-gas-victory/comment-page-1#comment-201962 Brad Krohn Tue, 30 Apr 2013 16:57:17 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=136229#comment-201962 David: I do understand what you are saying. And I agree with you and others that consumers should have choices. Generally speaking, I too do not like mandates, and want to have freedom of choice. However, when it comes to biofuels, including ethanol, I make a personal exception. A mandate is necessary when it comes to the petroleum industry. Big Oil dictates our energy policy and buys our politicians. If Big Oil had its way, it would mandate our country use 100% petroleum all the time, at the expense of our national energy security, and at the expense of protecting access of oil reserves in the middle East. The ONLY way our country can get Big Oil to comply with an "all-of-the-above" energy policy and diversity in liquid fuel supply, which includes biofuels, is through a government mandate. Otherwise, Big OIl will cut out ethanol to maintain 100% marketshare and fuel monopoly - even if ethanol is 50 cents to $1 per gallon cheaper than unleaded gasoline. I am tired of Big Oil dictating our national energy policy, and hence, I support a government mandate in this case. Brazil got it right when they mandated ethanol as an outfall of the OPEC oil embargoes of the 70's, and now ethanol is 50% of Brazil's motor fuel supply. David: I do understand what you are saying. And I agree with you and others that consumers should have choices. Generally speaking, I too do not like mandates, and want to have freedom of choice. However, when it comes to biofuels, including ethanol, I make a personal exception. A mandate is necessary when it comes to the petroleum industry. Big Oil dictates our energy policy and buys our politicians. If Big Oil had its way, it would mandate our country use 100% petroleum all the time, at the expense of our national energy security, and at the expense of protecting access of oil reserves in the middle East. The ONLY way our country can get Big Oil to comply with an “all-of-the-above” energy policy and diversity in liquid fuel supply, which includes biofuels, is through a government mandate. Otherwise, Big OIl will cut out ethanol to maintain 100% marketshare and fuel monopoly – even if ethanol is 50 cents to $1 per gallon cheaper than unleaded gasoline. I am tired of Big Oil dictating our national energy policy, and hence, I support a government mandate in this case. Brazil got it right when they mandated ethanol as an outfall of the OPEC oil embargoes of the 70’s, and now ethanol is 50% of Brazil’s motor fuel supply.

]]> By: David http://www.northescambia.com/2013/04/evers-wins-ethanol-free-gas-victory/comment-page-1#comment-201537 David Sun, 28 Apr 2013 09:30:14 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=136229#comment-201537 What people are forgetting is, it should be a persons choice if they want to use or not to use Ethanol products in their engines. Forget the cost issue. It should be your choice to fuel up with Ethanol free fuel if you wish. If you want to pay more or less, it should be a choice. Mandating is not a choice.Too much politics and people copy and pasting an argument. But its you choice.Nuff said What people are forgetting is, it should be a persons choice if they want to use or not to use Ethanol products in their engines. Forget the cost issue. It should be your choice to fuel up with Ethanol free fuel if you wish. If you want to pay more or less, it should be a choice. Mandating is not a choice.Too much politics and people copy and pasting an argument. But its you choice.Nuff said

]]> By: David Huie Green http://www.northescambia.com/2013/04/evers-wins-ethanol-free-gas-victory/comment-page-1#comment-201428 David Huie Green Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:21:02 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=136229#comment-201428 REGARDING: “1. Ethanol is cheaper by 36 cents / gal. “ But contains half the energy per gallon as gasoline AND “3. Ethanol is high in octane, and has an octane rating of 113.“ Which means it doesn’t knock in high compression engines, which for our current situation means nothing. AND “4. Gasoline with 10% ethanol has negligible to non-detectable loss in fuel economy. Its only at higher blends such as E85 where one will get a 10% – 15% loss in fuel economy.” Anytime you reduce the energy input, you reduce the energy output. AND “5. Big Oil is fighting the commercialization of E15 because the oil industry does not want to give up market share to ethanol.” Maybe, but you point out it reduces fuel economy. AND “6. In Brazil, where ethanol is made from sugar cane, all gasoline contains 25% ethanol, and conventional automobiles have no engine problems” Good stuff, and if we were buying Brazilian ethanol, worth considering. We aren’t. AND “7. Ethanol is an official fuel of the National Boat Racing Association, NASCAR, and Indy League Racing. It ought to be good enough for the family minivan.” Why? An official fuel means not THE official fuel, right? If it were used for rocket fuel, would that make it instantly good auto fuel? AND “8. One of the reasons we have an ethanol mandate is to create a level playing field with petroleum and to give ethanol fair market access.” Level the field by making up for the inherent failings of ethanol? Ethanol has many good features, but miles per dollar isn’t one of them. Nor is energy independence. David for truth REGARDING:
“1. Ethanol is cheaper by 36 cents / gal. “

But contains half the energy per gallon as gasoline

AND
“3. Ethanol is high in octane, and has an octane rating of 113.“

Which means it doesn’t knock in high compression engines, which for our current situation means nothing.

AND
“4. Gasoline with 10% ethanol has negligible to non-detectable loss in fuel economy. Its only at higher blends such as E85 where one will get a 10% – 15% loss in fuel economy.”

Anytime you reduce the energy input, you reduce the energy output.

AND
“5. Big Oil is fighting the commercialization of E15 because the oil industry does not want to give up market share to ethanol.”

Maybe, but you point out it reduces fuel economy.

AND
“6. In Brazil, where ethanol is made from sugar cane, all gasoline contains 25% ethanol, and conventional automobiles have no engine problems”

Good stuff, and if we were buying Brazilian ethanol, worth considering. We aren’t.

AND
“7. Ethanol is an official fuel of the National Boat Racing Association, NASCAR, and Indy League Racing. It ought to be good enough for the family minivan.”

Why? An official fuel means not THE official fuel, right? If it were used for rocket fuel, would that make it instantly good auto fuel?

AND
“8. One of the reasons we have an ethanol mandate is to create a level playing field with petroleum and to give ethanol fair market access.”

Level the field by making up for the inherent failings of ethanol?

Ethanol has many good features, but miles per dollar isn’t one of them.
Nor is energy independence.

David for truth

]]> By: fred http://www.northescambia.com/2013/04/evers-wins-ethanol-free-gas-victory/comment-page-1#comment-201263 fred Fri, 26 Apr 2013 20:06:22 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=136229#comment-201263 @ Brad Krohn Interesting reading, but my own tests with my personal vehicles, driving the same route at the same speed with several tanks of both types of fuel yielded a 4 mpg drop using ethanol laced fuel. In my wife's car, it was 6 mpg. In my vintage Mustang, I had ethanol fuel in it, and it literally dissolved fuel hose from the inside, causing it to collapse and stop the engine from fuel starvation. It's second rate fuel, and I will not use it if I have a choice. The two sides of this issue will never agree, but I just hope to always have the choice to avoid that stuff. @ Brad Krohn
Interesting reading, but my own tests with my personal vehicles, driving the same route at the same speed with several tanks of both types of fuel yielded a 4 mpg drop using ethanol laced fuel. In my wife’s car, it was 6 mpg. In my vintage Mustang, I had ethanol fuel in it, and it literally dissolved fuel hose from the inside, causing it to collapse and stop the engine from fuel starvation. It’s second rate fuel, and I will not use it if I have a choice. The two sides of this issue will never agree, but I just hope to always have the choice to avoid that stuff.

]]> By: Brad Krohn http://www.northescambia.com/2013/04/evers-wins-ethanol-free-gas-victory/comment-page-1#comment-201206 Brad Krohn Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:32:57 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=136229#comment-201206 Folks, many of you have bought into the lies and misinformation on ethanol propagated by the petroleum industy. 1. Over the past year, the wholesale price of ethanol on the CBOT has been 50 cents to $1 lower than the wholesale price of unleaded gasoline on the NYMEX. Today, the wholesale price of ethanol is $2.45 per gal vs. the wholesale price of unleaded gasoline which is $2.81 / gal. Ethanol is cheaper by 36 cents / gal. Translates to nearly 4 cents / gal reduction in price for gasoline blended with 10% ethanol. 2. Ethanol receives NO government subsidies - neither at the producer level, nor at the blender's level. The ethanol blender's tax credit expired at the end of 2011. 3. Ethanol is high in octane, and has an octane rating of 113. When ethanol is blended at the 10% level, it raises the octane of gasoline by 3 points, so a gasoline with 84 octane can be increased to 87 octane by adding 10% ethanol. Ethanol is a low cost, economic source of clean octane. 4. Gasoline with 10% ethanol has negligible to non-detectable loss in fuel economy. Its only at higher blends such as E85 where one will get a 10% - 15% loss in fuel economy. 5. EPA has approved the use of 15% ethanol (E15) for all vehicles 2001 and newer. However, Big Oil is fighting the commercialization of E15 because the oil industry does not want to give up market share to ethanol. 6. In Brazil, where ethanol is made from sugar cane, all gasoline contains 25% ethanol, and conventional automobiles have no engine problems. Brazil has mandated the use of ethanol since the 1970's. All gasoline stations also sell 100% ethanol as well. 50% of Brazil's motor fuel supply is ethanol. 7. Ethanol is an official fuel of the National Boat Racing Association, NASCAR, and Indy League Racing. It ought to be good enough for the family minivan. 8. One of the reasons we have an ethanol mandate is to create a level playing field with petroleum and to give ethanol fair market access. All I know is that I want my fuel dollars to go to the American farmer and not overseas to countries that are hostile to us. Corn ethanol may have a positive energy balance of only 2.3-to-1, but I will take it any day over paying the Middle East. Folks, many of you have bought into the lies and misinformation on ethanol propagated by the petroleum industy. 1. Over the past year, the wholesale price of ethanol on the CBOT has been 50 cents to $1 lower than the wholesale price of unleaded gasoline on the NYMEX. Today, the wholesale price of ethanol is $2.45 per gal vs. the wholesale price of unleaded gasoline which is $2.81 / gal. Ethanol is cheaper by 36 cents / gal. Translates to nearly 4 cents / gal reduction in price for gasoline blended with 10% ethanol. 2. Ethanol receives NO government subsidies – neither at the producer level, nor at the blender’s level. The ethanol blender’s tax credit expired at the end of 2011. 3. Ethanol is high in octane, and has an octane rating of 113. When ethanol is blended at the 10% level, it raises the octane of gasoline by 3 points, so a gasoline with 84 octane can be increased to 87 octane by adding 10% ethanol. Ethanol is a low cost, economic source of clean octane. 4. Gasoline with 10% ethanol has negligible to non-detectable loss in fuel economy. Its only at higher blends such as E85 where one will get a 10% – 15% loss in fuel economy. 5. EPA has approved the use of 15% ethanol (E15) for all vehicles 2001 and newer. However, Big Oil is fighting the commercialization of E15 because the oil industry does not want to give up market share to ethanol. 6. In Brazil, where ethanol is made from sugar cane, all gasoline contains 25% ethanol, and conventional automobiles have no engine problems. Brazil has mandated the use of ethanol since the 1970’s. All gasoline stations also sell 100% ethanol as well. 50% of Brazil’s motor fuel supply is ethanol. 7. Ethanol is an official fuel of the National Boat Racing Association, NASCAR, and Indy League Racing. It ought to be good enough for the family minivan. 8. One of the reasons we have an ethanol mandate is to create a level playing field with petroleum and to give ethanol fair market access. All I know is that I want my fuel dollars to go to the American farmer and not overseas to countries that are hostile to us. Corn ethanol may have a positive energy balance of only 2.3-to-1, but I will take it any day over paying the Middle East.

]]> By: Henry Coe http://www.northescambia.com/2013/04/evers-wins-ethanol-free-gas-victory/comment-page-1#comment-201081 Henry Coe Fri, 26 Apr 2013 03:38:23 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=136229#comment-201081 Ethanol can be used as an alternative to gasoline and could help reduce America’s dependence on imported oil. In early 2007, President George W. Bush announced his goal to reduce U.S. gasoline consumption by 20 percent in 10 years. Furthermore, the 2007 federal energy bill sets a goal that the U.S. will produce 15.2 billion gallons of renewable fuels annually by 2012 and 36 billion gallons by 2022. In addition to the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS), ethanol production also benefits from federal tax credits. In addition to federal policies encouraging ethanol production, relatively low grain prices and high crude oil prices contributed to the industry’s growth. In January 2007, corn sold for $3.05 a bushel, although by March 2008 increased demand for corn to produce ethanol had driven the price up to $4.83 a bushel, a 58 percent increase in just over a year. Like all industries, ethanol production can spur job growth and increase local tax revenues. Ethanol production can contribute to local economies. From http://www.window.state.tx.us/specialrpt/energy/renewable/ethanol.php As far as folks referring to the Alternative Fuels crowd, I'm not sure it is a crowd because largely people are uninformed or misinformed when it comes to energy policy and having a long term strategy. Oil lobbyist and advertising sponsors push information that only supports the interest of Oil because they care more about Oil profits than having an energy policy for alternative fuels. They drive the market. Ethanol does cause higher or hotter combustion and older small engine are not designed to dissipate the added heat. As was mentioned, there are fuel additives and places to buy ethanol free fuel. Having worked in small engine repair, I doubt it would be an issue for most consumers. For commercial small engines and or boat motors, if there is a problem it should be spotted during regular maintenance. i.e, checking spark plugs. You can blame ethanol if you want, but running a lean oil mixture in a 2 cycle engine will cause problems with ethanol free fuel also. If you want to know how your engine is running, check the spark plugs. Learn the difference for how spark plugs wear and you will save money by avoiding high dollar repairs. Ethanol can be used as an alternative to gasoline and could help reduce America’s dependence on imported oil. In early 2007, President George W. Bush announced his goal to reduce U.S. gasoline consumption by 20 percent in 10 years. Furthermore, the 2007 federal energy bill sets a goal that the U.S. will produce 15.2 billion gallons of renewable fuels annually by 2012 and 36 billion gallons by 2022. In addition to the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS), ethanol production also benefits from federal tax credits.
In addition to federal policies encouraging ethanol production, relatively low grain prices and high crude oil prices contributed to the industry’s growth. In January 2007, corn sold for $3.05 a bushel, although by March 2008 increased demand for corn to produce ethanol had driven the price up to $4.83 a bushel, a 58 percent increase in just over a year.
Like all industries, ethanol production can spur job growth and increase local tax revenues. Ethanol production can contribute to local economies.

From http://www.window.state.tx.us/specialrpt/energy/renewable/ethanol.php

As far as folks referring to the Alternative Fuels crowd, I’m not sure it is a crowd because largely people are uninformed or misinformed when it comes to energy policy and having a long term strategy. Oil lobbyist and advertising sponsors push information that only supports the interest of Oil because they care more about Oil profits than having an energy policy for alternative fuels. They drive the market.
Ethanol does cause higher or hotter combustion and older small engine are not designed to dissipate the added heat. As was mentioned, there are fuel additives and places to buy ethanol free fuel.
Having worked in small engine repair, I doubt it would be an issue for most consumers. For commercial small engines and or boat motors, if there is a problem it should be spotted during regular maintenance. i.e, checking spark plugs.
You can blame ethanol if you want, but running a lean oil mixture in a 2 cycle engine will cause problems with ethanol free fuel also. If you want to know how your engine is running, check the spark plugs. Learn the difference for how spark plugs wear and you will save money by avoiding high dollar repairs.

]]> By: huh http://www.northescambia.com/2013/04/evers-wins-ethanol-free-gas-victory/comment-page-1#comment-201068 huh Fri, 26 Apr 2013 01:29:26 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=136229#comment-201068 Lets take it a huge step further and stop the corn subsidy! We have no need for it! Let us have real sugar in our products again. Ethanol fuels should be an option, but a cheaper option Lets take it a huge step further and stop the corn subsidy! We have no need for it! Let us have real sugar in our products again.

Ethanol fuels should be an option, but a cheaper option

]]> By: Elissa http://www.northescambia.com/2013/04/evers-wins-ethanol-free-gas-victory/comment-page-1#comment-201061 Elissa Fri, 26 Apr 2013 01:02:32 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=136229#comment-201061 Having solved all other problems plaguing Florida like unemployment, health care issues and other more pertinent problems, finally the concern of no ethanol in gas will be resolved by this inane bill. Having solved all other problems plaguing Florida like unemployment, health care issues and other more pertinent problems, finally the concern of no ethanol in gas will be resolved by this inane bill.

]]> By: Mike J. http://www.northescambia.com/2013/04/evers-wins-ethanol-free-gas-victory/comment-page-1#comment-201012 Mike J. Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:05:11 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=136229#comment-201012 Those of us with classic cars have been told by experts that we need to avoid ethanol gas or put in a stabilizer additive. When I am able to, I've been to the BP branded store at I-10 and Scenic Hwy. Last time I was there, they had one pump on the north side labelled for non-ethanol gas. The renewable fuels crowd does not think of classic cars whose fuel systems deteriorate with E10 ethanol gas and require replacement of fuel lines and carburettor parts much faster than before. E15 will be even worse for us and bad for modern cars also. All we are asking for is a choice. Apparently the renewable fuels crowd is afraid of competition. Too bad they think it can only happen by a law pushed by government. Those of us with classic cars have been told by experts that we need to avoid ethanol gas or put in a stabilizer additive. When I am able to, I’ve been to the BP branded store at I-10 and Scenic Hwy. Last time I was there, they had one pump on the north side labelled for non-ethanol gas.

The renewable fuels crowd does not think of classic cars whose fuel systems deteriorate with E10 ethanol gas and require replacement of fuel lines and carburettor parts much faster than before. E15 will be even worse for us and bad for modern cars also. All we are asking for is a choice. Apparently the renewable fuels crowd is afraid of competition. Too bad they think it can only happen by a law pushed by government.

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