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		<title>By: gulf coast</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2012/11/governor-tours-navy-federal/comment-page-1#comment-158098</link>
		<dc:creator>gulf coast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 16:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try searching this very website.  Feburary 28th article on langley bell center.  
I will paraphrase&quot; without the sale of this property adding jobs in pensacola would difficult&quot;.  Carlton proctor&#039;s blog was alittle more straight forward..

Dont tell me my facts are off.  I am way more in the know on this deal than you can imagine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try searching this very website.  Feburary 28th article on langley bell center.<br />
I will paraphrase&#8221; without the sale of this property adding jobs in pensacola would difficult&#8221;.  Carlton proctor&#8217;s blog was alittle more straight forward..</p>
<p>Dont tell me my facts are off.  I am way more in the know on this deal than you can imagine.</p>
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		<title>By: gulf coast</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2012/11/governor-tours-navy-federal/comment-page-1#comment-158095</link>
		<dc:creator>gulf coast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 16:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You need to check your facts mark.  The statement about NF leaving was in a Carlton Proctor blog in the pnj last spring..

Nice try.

I see you left the second fact alone.  They would not compromise on the 40 acres to be left out of the deal..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need to check your facts mark.  The statement about NF leaving was in a Carlton Proctor blog in the pnj last spring..</p>
<p>Nice try.</p>
<p>I see you left the second fact alone.  They would not compromise on the 40 acres to be left out of the deal..</p>
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		<title>By: Reply to Gulf Coast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reply to Gulf Coast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You need to check your facts my friend.

NFCU never threatened to leave.  It was never stated, implied, or spoken as an option/threat.  You may have created this in your own mind, but that is where that lie should remain.

You are incorrect with your perception that there was no compromising.  NFCU agreed to allow them to remain on the property for an extended period of time for something like $1 if my memory serves me right.  I believe this was to allow more than enough time to identify another property and transition.

In your comments about the quality of jobs offered by NFCU, I think you are mistaken again.  Just ask the hundreds of people who apply there each and every day...or better yet ask the thousands that work there already.  NFCU is a classy operation who takes care of their employees just as much as they take care of their members.

Im sorry you didnt like the deal, but dont make stuff up or confuse your opinion with facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need to check your facts my friend.</p>
<p>NFCU never threatened to leave.  It was never stated, implied, or spoken as an option/threat.  You may have created this in your own mind, but that is where that lie should remain.</p>
<p>You are incorrect with your perception that there was no compromising.  NFCU agreed to allow them to remain on the property for an extended period of time for something like $1 if my memory serves me right.  I believe this was to allow more than enough time to identify another property and transition.</p>
<p>In your comments about the quality of jobs offered by NFCU, I think you are mistaken again.  Just ask the hundreds of people who apply there each and every day&#8230;or better yet ask the thousands that work there already.  NFCU is a classy operation who takes care of their employees just as much as they take care of their members.</p>
<p>Im sorry you didnt like the deal, but dont make stuff up or confuse your opinion with facts.</p>
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		<title>By: David Lamb</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Lamb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 00:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A snatch and grab? Possibly. When all the business leaders are for it and the Extension Office wanting rid of LBC because they were too lazy to utilize an asset thhat most would be proud to have, you can say that. Discipline, Leadership and the will for a successful 4H program takes EXTRA effort, something  lacking in the current IFAS staff. Some of the last two posts I concur with. Some, I do not.
The 4Hers still had the choice to sell or save. The vote was close. If I remember only 7 vote difference. A few voting delegates failed to vote. It was not a clear victory. Some voted for sale with understanding that the MOU would help get a better facility that could be more utilized. Problem: MOU cut out rights of 4Hers to decide their future. MOU can be a way for IFAS to continue their &quot;wicked&quot; ways. ONLY YOU, THE LOCAL PUBLIC CAN STOP THEM. FIGHT FOR RIGHT!
GO FOR BAYER OR EQUITABLE  PROPERTY.
NO TO STEPHANI RD!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A snatch and grab? Possibly. When all the business leaders are for it and the Extension Office wanting rid of LBC because they were too lazy to utilize an asset thhat most would be proud to have, you can say that. Discipline, Leadership and the will for a successful 4H program takes EXTRA effort, something  lacking in the current IFAS staff. Some of the last two posts I concur with. Some, I do not.<br />
The 4Hers still had the choice to sell or save. The vote was close. If I remember only 7 vote difference. A few voting delegates failed to vote. It was not a clear victory. Some voted for sale with understanding that the MOU would help get a better facility that could be more utilized. Problem: MOU cut out rights of 4Hers to decide their future. MOU can be a way for IFAS to continue their &#8220;wicked&#8221; ways. ONLY YOU, THE LOCAL PUBLIC CAN STOP THEM. FIGHT FOR RIGHT!<br />
GO FOR BAYER OR EQUITABLE  PROPERTY.<br />
NO TO STEPHANI RD!</p>
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		<title>By: gulf coast</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2012/11/governor-tours-navy-federal/comment-page-1#comment-157943</link>
		<dc:creator>gulf coast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 22:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, 
It was a snatch and grab because it was everyone versus the kids. Extension, NFCU, county commissioners, and the chamber were coercing and influencing the kids to sell. 

 Here is a fact Mark, NFCU said that if they didnt get that land, not land close but that particular piece of  land, they would not only not expand but threatened to leave.  That is a FACT...

Here is another fact Mark, when approached by NFCU, some of the volunteers and 4H leaders asked NF if 4H could keep 40 acres out of 240 acres the answer a NO.  There was never any commitment to work or compromise with 4H, it was all of it or none at all.. That is a FACT..

The site was underutilized because extension has FAILED to do its job. The are perfectly happy to do their school presentations and sign up &quot;4H&quot; members that never go to the first meeting.. The work done to encourage 4H membership and those members participating in programs has fallen off considerably since the 1970s.  Ask your friends at extension why the requirements to use the 4H center, before it was sold, were more strigent than requirements to use the equestrian center..  

I dont really care if you want the job or not, plenty of good people in this area would jump at the chance to work for a company like KIA. 
As far as the car manufacturing plant, you seem to be way off base.. Apples to apples who makes more money the guy in the &quot;deadend&quot; job at KIA or the same guy in the deadend job at NFCU? What you failed to understand is the county that had KIA had all the support manufacturing as well.  Just like Mobile and Baldwin counties are gonna have all the airplane facilities..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,<br />
It was a snatch and grab because it was everyone versus the kids. Extension, NFCU, county commissioners, and the chamber were coercing and influencing the kids to sell. </p>
<p> Here is a fact Mark, NFCU said that if they didnt get that land, not land close but that particular piece of  land, they would not only not expand but threatened to leave.  That is a FACT&#8230;</p>
<p>Here is another fact Mark, when approached by NFCU, some of the volunteers and 4H leaders asked NF if 4H could keep 40 acres out of 240 acres the answer a NO.  There was never any commitment to work or compromise with 4H, it was all of it or none at all.. That is a FACT..</p>
<p>The site was underutilized because extension has FAILED to do its job. The are perfectly happy to do their school presentations and sign up &#8220;4H&#8221; members that never go to the first meeting.. The work done to encourage 4H membership and those members participating in programs has fallen off considerably since the 1970s.  Ask your friends at extension why the requirements to use the 4H center, before it was sold, were more strigent than requirements to use the equestrian center..  </p>
<p>I dont really care if you want the job or not, plenty of good people in this area would jump at the chance to work for a company like KIA.<br />
As far as the car manufacturing plant, you seem to be way off base.. Apples to apples who makes more money the guy in the &#8220;deadend&#8221; job at KIA or the same guy in the deadend job at NFCU? What you failed to understand is the county that had KIA had all the support manufacturing as well.  Just like Mobile and Baldwin counties are gonna have all the airplane facilities..</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2012/11/governor-tours-navy-federal/comment-page-1#comment-157939</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 21:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@429SCJ, a &quot;Snatch and &quot;Grab&quot;????  How so?  Please, give me FACTS, that is was a snatch and grab.  Read David&#039;s comments, as he seems to understand.

As a &quot;community member&quot; I had toured the 4H facilities, and although impressive, I always thought it was VERY under utilized.  It seems there are only events a few times a year that only draw a hundred or so people.  Seems like a waste to me.  I may be wrong, but I believe in the &quot;good of the many&quot; instead of the &quot;good of the few&quot;.

@Gulf Coast, Navy Federal is the first step in getting the kind of business you talk about, although being a native of Detroit and VERY familiar with the auto industry, I really don&#039;t want a factory &quot;assembly line&quot;, going nowhere job.  It always seems those supporting the making of the cars, make more money than those involved in the manufacturing process!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@429SCJ, a &#8220;Snatch and &#8220;Grab&#8221;????  How so?  Please, give me FACTS, that is was a snatch and grab.  Read David&#8217;s comments, as he seems to understand.</p>
<p>As a &#8220;community member&#8221; I had toured the 4H facilities, and although impressive, I always thought it was VERY under utilized.  It seems there are only events a few times a year that only draw a hundred or so people.  Seems like a waste to me.  I may be wrong, but I believe in the &#8220;good of the many&#8221; instead of the &#8220;good of the few&#8221;.</p>
<p>@Gulf Coast, Navy Federal is the first step in getting the kind of business you talk about, although being a native of Detroit and VERY familiar with the auto industry, I really don&#8217;t want a factory &#8220;assembly line&#8221;, going nowhere job.  It always seems those supporting the making of the cars, make more money than those involved in the manufacturing process!!</p>
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		<title>By: David Lamb</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Lamb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 00:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a native Cottage Hill person and a 4H memb er for 10 years, I was saddened by the sale of LBC. . I talked with many before the vote and was most suprised wwith the commitment of Debbie Calder. She did not force anything and let the 4H members decide the vote. It was a close vote and the best decision for  economic development. I have no gripe with NFCU or Debbie Calder. My gripe is with Pam Allen and Kieth Diem and IFAS.
I want to see a like amount of land in a better part of Escambia for 4H. The proposed Bayer property fits that description and under the right leadership can be self supporting. Please support the Task Force and let your opinions about future land purchases for 4H be known. Escambia 4H can return to its days of the best of the best with vision and dedication. There are good people in the area fighting for this cause. SUPPORT THEM. GET INVOLVED!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a native Cottage Hill person and a 4H memb er for 10 years, I was saddened by the sale of LBC. . I talked with many before the vote and was most suprised wwith the commitment of Debbie Calder. She did not force anything and let the 4H members decide the vote. It was a close vote and the best decision for  economic development. I have no gripe with NFCU or Debbie Calder. My gripe is with Pam Allen and Kieth Diem and IFAS.<br />
I want to see a like amount of land in a better part of Escambia for 4H. The proposed Bayer property fits that description and under the right leadership can be self supporting. Please support the Task Force and let your opinions about future land purchases for 4H be known. Escambia 4H can return to its days of the best of the best with vision and dedication. There are good people in the area fighting for this cause. SUPPORT THEM. GET INVOLVED!</p>
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		<title>By: 429SCJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>429SCJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>???? Not me Jane,,,, not in about 37 years anyway. 

Happy! Thanks Giving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>???? Not me Jane,,,, not in about 37 years anyway. </p>
<p>Happy! Thanks Giving.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, now tell me why no one is utilizing the big business park on Hwy. 29 between Cantonment and Molino????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, now tell me why no one is utilizing the big business park on Hwy. 29 between Cantonment and Molino????</p>
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		<title>By: Gulf Coast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gulf Coast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 11:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,
Thanks for worrying about me but I have a great job. Never said NFCU wasnt a good job, but  if you think that is the end all job, then you should take a trip into Alabama and see the KIA plant at the Alabama/GA line. That plant plus all the other supporting sites near it.  I havent been that way in a couple of years until recently and it is impressive.  That is the kinda jobs the chamber and the commission should be after.

William, 
I apologize but the 1600 number was the number given to me by Debbie Caulder herself  approx this time last year.  She also said they were planning to hire between 100-200 per year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,<br />
Thanks for worrying about me but I have a great job. Never said NFCU wasnt a good job, but  if you think that is the end all job, then you should take a trip into Alabama and see the KIA plant at the Alabama/GA line. That plant plus all the other supporting sites near it.  I havent been that way in a couple of years until recently and it is impressive.  That is the kinda jobs the chamber and the commission should be after.</p>
<p>William,<br />
I apologize but the 1600 number was the number given to me by Debbie Caulder herself  approx this time last year.  She also said they were planning to hire between 100-200 per year.</p>
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