But if you get money moving by pumping it into the system, you tend to have removed money from the system to do so. Thus, the net effect is zero — at best. We can say, “We saved this job and that job. See what a wonderful thing we have done.”

We can see the jobs which were saved or created but it is harder to see the back side of the transaction.

We find ourselves paying interest to China for the money we borrowed and that is adding to the burden on Americans.

Is the net benefit to the good or to the bad? We shall see. In other cases getting deep in debt is a bad thing, but maybe the government in its greater wisdom has found a case where getting mired in debt does no harm. We shall see.

“Republicans did do a lot to create much of the problems that caused of debt that was built up at the time of the economic crash and they did very little if anything when it came time to fix the problem.”

Sometimes saying NO is all you can do. I know we reject the concept of “Just say no.” but it’s amazing how many times it works. People who say NO do not become pregnant, do not become drug addicts, do not become drunks, are not arrested as co-conspirators in armed robberies.

David for appropriate NOs

” I do think I do not want the same kind of focus on safety and soundness that we have in OCC (Office of the Comptroller of the Currency) and OTS (Office of Thrift Supervision). I want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation towards SUBSIDIZED HOUSING…” Rep Barney Frank Sept 25, 2003.

” I just briefly will say, Mr. Chairman, obviously, like most of us here, this is one of the GREAT SUCCESS STORIES of all time…” Rep Chris Dodd Sept 25, 2003

This great success story turned out to be the an EPIC FAILURE. This legislation has doomed our housing market and we can thank Chris Dodd and Barney Franks for this WONDERFUL piece of work.

Looking for some big Changes (NOT HOPE AND CHANGE) in November.

The first problem with Political discourse and any division that is going on is the Republicans are and have been Ant-Obama & Dems and the R’s just make things up to cry about. Like saying there is a plan to spend our way out of debt.

In context to reality,our economy was crashing hard in 2008 and we were losing 750,000 jobs a month when GWB left office.

All those jobs that were gone represent a giant amount of money that was no longer moving around in our economy. The goal of the Stimulus was to get money moving in our economy.

The plan had its ups and downs, but we had never had this problem before and Republicans were doing everything they could to obstruct progress for purely political reasons. They even made a record number of filibusters in the Senate and blocked presidential appointments in key positions connected to the goals of progress.

The typical cry baby GOP response now would ask me, “so you blame Republicans for everything?”, “It’s all Bush’s fault?”, “blah,blah,blah”.
Fault doesn’t matter except to recognize how big the problem was because of where and when it started.

The point being, Republicans did do a lot to create much of the problems that caused of debt that was built up at the time of the economic crash and they did very little if anything when it came time to fix the problem.

The GOP also diminishes the point of what our economy would look like had there been no stimulus. The Stimulus in Florida saved something like 90,000 jobs of Teachers, Police and Fire Fighters.

So please, for the sake of America and real political discourse, force the Republicans to have real political discourse, especially if you are a Republicans. The rest of us aren’t interested in hearing another GOP campaign with the same old song and dance about hate fear & smear. Our country can’t take it.

How is this clear?
You may be right, but how do you profess to KNOW?

Consider the teachings of the great Joseph Smith. They included the thought that Christianity had died from the face of the earth and had been revived by his reception of the Book of Mormon. His followers believed that all non Mormon people were not Christian and that is why they work so hard to convert them to Christianity/Mormonism today. They even do proxy baptisms for those who’ve been dead for centuries in a noble attempt to save their souls.

Admittedly, if we used their definition, you would be right, that President Obama is not a REAL Christian unless he converts to Mormonism. Using that definition, you would be definitely right about President Obama’s non Christian status. On the other hand, that would make all the previous Presidents non Christian too (unless they converted after they died, of course).

Other people think “good person” and Christian are the same thing. “If Soandso’s not a Christian, I don’t know who is,” has been said many a time.

Those people think kindly Buddhists are Christians as well as kindly Atheists. I’ve even seem some who disputed the claims of some to not be Christian simply because they figured such a good person MUST be a Christian even if he denied it as strongly as Peter did. If we went by their definition, President Obama is a shoo-in because he is clearly a decent enough fellow.

Other people don’t pretend to know the state of a person’s salvation, just letting their fruit indicate the truth. You obviously aren’t one of those, though, so just what is the basis of your certainly.

David wondering

Obama IS a Christian (just like you and your Momma and Daddy was) and he is not a Muslim.

Your comments are ill informed at best, and lies at worst.