Comments on: Feds Sue Florida Prisons Over Kosher Meals http://www.northescambia.com/2012/08/feds-sue-florida-prisons-over-kosher-meals Local News for Molino, Bratt, McDavid, Century, Walnut Hill, Cantonment Sat, 18 Apr 2026 08:29:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Just sayin' http://www.northescambia.com/2012/08/feds-sue-florida-prisons-over-kosher-meals/comment-page-1#comment-141625 Just sayin' Tue, 21 Aug 2012 03:16:07 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=107284#comment-141625 @Nick, Your comments are laughable. This person is a first timer and non-violent. He was sent directly to SR Annex because it's close to home and he has a relatively short sentence. If you'd read my previous comment, you would have seen that I have known him "all his life" so it would be a little difficult to have met him and fallen in love with him in prison. I no longer work for the DOC for medical reasons. Yes, the judge did say in court that he knew that this person did not commit the crime but that he wanted to teach him a lesson about not hanging around with people who would get him in trouble. His exact words were that "I am hoping that letting you sit in prison for a little while will teach you the value of choosing your friends more wisely, sir. I am also hoping that this will teach you that when a situation occurs that you know you should not be involved in....you will go the other way instead of trying to reason with people who cannot be reasoned with." Even the SA was amazed as she had filed the papers to nol pros the whole thing. You assume too much, Nick. People are railroaded all the time. Just because you were guilty of your "alleged" crimes does not mean that everyone who is accused is guilty also. @Nick,

Your comments are laughable. This person is a first timer and non-violent. He was sent directly to SR Annex because it’s close to home and he has a relatively short sentence.

If you’d read my previous comment, you would have seen that I have known him “all his life” so it would be a little difficult to have met him and fallen in love with him in prison.

I no longer work for the DOC for medical reasons.

Yes, the judge did say in court that he knew that this person did not commit the crime but that he wanted to teach him a lesson about not hanging around with people who would get him in trouble. His exact words were that “I am hoping that letting you sit in prison for a little while will teach you the value of choosing your friends more wisely, sir. I am also hoping that this will teach you that when a situation occurs that you know you should not be involved in….you will go the other way instead of trying to reason with people who cannot be reasoned with.” Even the SA was amazed as she had filed the papers to nol pros the whole thing.

You assume too much, Nick. People are railroaded all the time. Just because you were guilty of your “alleged” crimes does not mean that everyone who is accused is guilty also.

]]> By: Nick http://www.northescambia.com/2012/08/feds-sue-florida-prisons-over-kosher-meals/comment-page-1#comment-141597 Nick Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:38:26 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=107284#comment-141597 Just Sayin, Are you trying to tell us that the judge knew your buddy did not commit the crime and said so in court, but sentenced him anyway? Wow, how is this judge not in prison himself?? This poor unfortunate inmate you are defending is at Santa Rosa according to your earlier post. I spent 6 years at Santa Rosa and know from experience what happens there. What your friend has failed to tell you is that Santa Rosa is where all of the unmanageable inmates are sent. Inmates that are so violent, and cannot be supervised at less secure prisons are sent. I was sent there for striking a guard. I did it, I was totally to blame, the guard did not do anything to earn it, I was just a jerk that thought I was owed something. I got what I was owed. 6 years on C/M, and an additional 2 years added to my sentence. What did your innocent friend do to get sent to Santa Rosa? And if you worked at a prison I imagine you met him there and fell in love with him got fired and now blame all the guards for that too. Just Sayin, Are you trying to tell us that the judge knew your buddy did not commit the crime and said so in court, but sentenced him anyway? Wow, how is this judge not in prison himself?? This poor unfortunate inmate you are defending is at Santa Rosa according to your earlier post. I spent 6 years at Santa Rosa and know from experience what happens there. What your friend has failed to tell you is that Santa Rosa is where all of the unmanageable inmates are sent. Inmates that are so violent, and cannot be supervised at less secure prisons are sent. I was sent there for striking a guard. I did it, I was totally to blame, the guard did not do anything to earn it, I was just a jerk that thought I was owed something. I got what I was owed. 6 years on C/M, and an additional 2 years added to my sentence. What did your innocent friend do to get sent to Santa Rosa? And if you worked at a prison I imagine you met him there and fell in love with him got fired and now blame all the guards for that too.

]]> By: Just sayin' http://www.northescambia.com/2012/08/feds-sue-florida-prisons-over-kosher-meals/comment-page-1#comment-141586 Just sayin' Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:28:18 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=107284#comment-141586 @DH, I've know this inmate his entire life. He isn't conning me in any way. He hasn't asked me for money either. Believe me, I know very well that there are many inmates who do exactly what you describe. I saw it every day. As I said, this person has always been 100% honest with me, even when he knew that I would be upset, angry, disappointed, etc. Therefore, I have NO reason to doubt his word, especially when it is corroborated by others including the warden. If you think that these things don't happen every day of the week in prisons around the country, you are exceptionally naive. There are also innocent people in prison who get treated badly by COs on a power trip, just as there are guilty people who are treated well. It's just like any other job: there are going to be good ones and bad ones. It's common sense. @DH,

I’ve know this inmate his entire life. He isn’t conning me in any way. He hasn’t asked me for money either.

Believe me, I know very well that there are many inmates who do exactly what you describe. I saw it every day.

As I said, this person has always been 100% honest with me, even when he knew that I would be upset, angry, disappointed, etc. Therefore, I have NO reason to doubt his word, especially when it is corroborated by others including the warden.

If you think that these things don’t happen every day of the week in prisons around the country, you are exceptionally naive. There are also innocent people in prison who get treated badly by COs on a power trip, just as there are guilty people who are treated well. It’s just like any other job: there are going to be good ones and bad ones. It’s common sense.

]]> By: DH http://www.northescambia.com/2012/08/feds-sue-florida-prisons-over-kosher-meals/comment-page-1#comment-141570 DH Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:16:23 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=107284#comment-141570 TO "just sayin" YOUR REPLY OF "The judge said that while he knew that this person did not commit the crime of which he was accused, he WAS there and so he was sentencing him to prison to teach him “not to hang around with people who can get you into trouble” WELL, YA KNOW THAT OLD SAYIN' IF YA RUN WITH DOGS YA GONNA CATCH FLEAS..GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION...AND IF THIS PERSON ALREADY HAD A PREVIOUS RECORD THAT COULD HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT AS WELL. SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS MORE TO THAT STORY. AND YOUR REPLY OF "There are some inmates who cannot tell the truth to save their lives and there are others, such as the one we are discussing, who I would trust with MY life. He’s never lied to me and always admitted to anything that he has done. There’s no reason for me to disbelieve any part of this, especially when the warden agrees that it happened the way it’s been described and other inmates have written letters to attest to the same thing." WELL I SURE HOPE THIS IS SOMEONE YOU KNEW AND COULD TRUST BEFORE HE WENT TO PRISON AND NOT SOMEONE YOU HAVE MET THROUGH THE INMATE PENPAL PROGRAM OR BETTER YET, WHILE YOU WORKED IN THE PRISON. I COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT PEOPLE HOOKING UP WITH INMATES IN PRISON BUT I WON'T. LETS JUST SAY, THEY HAVE ONE WOMAN COMING TO VISIT THEM ON A SATURDAY WHO THINKS SHE IS THEIR ONE AND ONLY, MEANWHILE, THE NEXT VISITING DAY HE HAS ANOTHER WOMAN COMING TO VISIT HIM WHO IS THINKING THE SAME THING AND BOTH OF THESE WOMEN HAVE BEEN CONNED INTO SENDING MONEY TO THE INMATES ACCOUNT SO THAT HE MAY PURCHASE CANTEEN ITEMS FOR HIMSELF. INMATES ARE EXPERTS AT LIES AND DESCEPTION. THEY HAVE 24/7 TO COME UP WITH THINGS AND WAYS TO OCCUPY THEIR TIME AND WAYS TO GET SOMEONE ON THE OUTSIDE TO SEND THEM MONEY. I HOPE IN YOUR CASE THIS IS NOT THE SITUATION. GOOD LUCK TO YOU. TO “just sayin”
YOUR REPLY OF
“The judge said that while he knew that this person did not commit the crime of which he was accused, he WAS there and so he was sentencing him to prison to teach him “not to hang around with people who can get you into trouble”

WELL, YA KNOW THAT OLD SAYIN’ IF YA RUN WITH DOGS YA GONNA CATCH FLEAS..GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION…AND IF THIS PERSON ALREADY HAD A PREVIOUS RECORD THAT COULD HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT AS WELL. SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS MORE TO THAT STORY.

AND YOUR REPLY OF
“There are some inmates who cannot tell the truth to save their lives and there are others, such as the one we are discussing, who I would trust with MY life. He’s never lied to me and always admitted to anything that he has done. There’s no reason for me to disbelieve any part of this, especially when the warden agrees that it happened the way it’s been described and other inmates have written letters to attest to the same thing.”

WELL
I SURE HOPE THIS IS SOMEONE YOU KNEW AND COULD TRUST BEFORE HE WENT TO PRISON AND NOT SOMEONE YOU HAVE MET THROUGH THE INMATE PENPAL PROGRAM OR BETTER YET, WHILE YOU WORKED IN THE PRISON. I COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT PEOPLE HOOKING UP WITH INMATES IN PRISON BUT I WON’T.
LETS JUST SAY, THEY HAVE ONE WOMAN COMING TO VISIT THEM ON A SATURDAY WHO THINKS SHE IS THEIR ONE AND ONLY, MEANWHILE, THE NEXT VISITING DAY HE HAS ANOTHER WOMAN COMING TO VISIT HIM WHO IS THINKING THE SAME THING AND BOTH OF THESE WOMEN HAVE BEEN CONNED INTO SENDING MONEY TO THE INMATES ACCOUNT SO THAT HE MAY PURCHASE CANTEEN ITEMS FOR HIMSELF. INMATES ARE EXPERTS AT LIES AND DESCEPTION. THEY HAVE 24/7 TO COME UP WITH THINGS AND WAYS TO OCCUPY THEIR TIME AND WAYS TO GET SOMEONE ON THE OUTSIDE TO SEND THEM MONEY. I HOPE IN YOUR CASE THIS IS NOT THE SITUATION. GOOD LUCK TO YOU.

]]> By: Just sayin' http://www.northescambia.com/2012/08/feds-sue-florida-prisons-over-kosher-meals/comment-page-1#comment-141567 Just sayin' Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:25:54 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=107284#comment-141567 @ Just wonderin, Nick and DH, Yes, I do know the inmate in question personally. He is incarcerated for a crime that he did NOT commit as evidenced by court records and even the judge's statements in court. His crime was being there when something happened and trying to stop it. The judge said that while he knew that this person did not commit the crime of which he was accused, he WAS there and so he was sentencing him to prison to teach him "not to hang around with people who can get you into trouble". Since the entire thing was on videotape, this is not hearsay but FACT. I've worked in prisons myself, so I KNOW that there are bad apples, not only among the inmates but among the COs also. The warden agreed that these things happened, but as yet, he can give no explanation for WHY! The inmate's behavior in no way warranted any of this and he will "get back to us" when he finds out anything more. I've been waiting for more than 2 months now. I guess he knows nothing more. There are some inmates who cannot tell the truth to save their lives and there are others, such as the one we are discussing, who I would trust with MY life. He's never lied to me and always admitted to anything that he has done. There's no reason for me to disbelieve any part of this, especially when the warden agrees that it happened the way it's been described and other inmates have written letters to attest to the same thing. You can choose to be cynical about it if you wish. I know the truth and so does the warden. Inmates are mistreated all the time. You can stick your head in the sand if you like, but it does neither you nor the inmates any good. @ Just wonderin, Nick and DH,

Yes, I do know the inmate in question personally. He is incarcerated for a crime that he did NOT commit as evidenced by court records and even the judge’s statements in court. His crime was being there when something happened and trying to stop it. The judge said that while he knew that this person did not commit the crime of which he was accused, he WAS there and so he was sentencing him to prison to teach him “not to hang around with people who can get you into trouble”. Since the entire thing was on videotape, this is not hearsay but FACT.

I’ve worked in prisons myself, so I KNOW that there are bad apples, not only among the inmates but among the COs also. The warden agreed that these things happened, but as yet, he can give no explanation for WHY! The inmate’s behavior in no way warranted any of this and he will “get back to us” when he finds out anything more. I’ve been waiting for more than 2 months now. I guess he knows nothing more.

There are some inmates who cannot tell the truth to save their lives and there are others, such as the one we are discussing, who I would trust with MY life. He’s never lied to me and always admitted to anything that he has done. There’s no reason for me to disbelieve any part of this, especially when the warden agrees that it happened the way it’s been described and other inmates have written letters to attest to the same thing.

You can choose to be cynical about it if you wish. I know the truth and so does the warden. Inmates are mistreated all the time. You can stick your head in the sand if you like, but it does neither you nor the inmates any good.

]]> By: David Huie Green http://www.northescambia.com/2012/08/feds-sue-florida-prisons-over-kosher-meals/comment-page-1#comment-141546 David Huie Green Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:22:10 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=107284#comment-141546 "The state tried the Kosher kitchen before and it was a costly fiasco. There is much more to it than saying this meal is kosher. A separate kitchen must be built, the food separated from all other food, and Jewish citizens constantly in and out of the prison to inspect things." Hmmmm, I had thought it simply required the food be in compliance with Mosaic Law, which would be a purchasing decision for the most part. Separate kitchen and approval by a religious organization would constitute an establishment of religion and be un constitutional. With any luck, you can get the ACLU to fight against the U S Department of Justice proposal under the establishment clause. David for a rabbi in every kitchen “The state tried the Kosher kitchen before and it was a costly fiasco. There is much more to it than saying this meal is kosher. A separate kitchen must be built, the food separated from all other food, and Jewish citizens constantly in and out of the prison to inspect things.”

Hmmmm, I had thought it simply required the food be in compliance with Mosaic Law, which would be a purchasing decision for the most part. Separate kitchen and approval by a religious organization would constitute an establishment of religion and be un constitutional.

With any luck, you can get the ACLU to fight against the U S Department of Justice proposal under the establishment clause.

David for a rabbi in every kitchen

]]> By: DH http://www.northescambia.com/2012/08/feds-sue-florida-prisons-over-kosher-meals/comment-page-1#comment-141481 DH Mon, 20 Aug 2012 04:56:19 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=107284#comment-141481 Until you have worked in a prison you really don't have a clue about what you are talking about. I myself have worked in a DOC prison for 8 years. Religion in prison is a very different thing than Religion in the free world. For the most part, religion in prison is just another way for inmates to get out of their dorms and go to the chapel to try to pass some contraband off to another inmate or to hook up with other gang members to pass information or contraband, or even to try to assault another inmate or staff member. Now don’t get me wrong, I do believe in having religious activities in prison because if it helps to change someone for the better then I am all for it but it has been my experience that I have seen them use religious activities for their personal gain and it has nothing to do with making them a better person. In my time spent working there I have seen many inmates claim to be a certain religion and therefore they have to have a special meal...but then I have seen those same inmates order and eat all kinds of stuff from the inmate canteen. Every year at RAMDAN, those inmates religious belief requires that during a certain period they only eat after the sun sets. So the DOC accommodates those inmates and prepares special meals for them and they are fed after sunset. As an officer or Sergeant working that inmate’s dorm I saw him eating honey buns, soups and chips during day light in his dorm. I have seen those claiming to be Vegans eat their vegan meal provided to them and also eat food they purchased from the inmate canteen containing animal products. When you are feeding a compound of about 1400 inmates and the inmates have to be moved from their dorms to the chow hall the special meal programs are the ones that cause the most problems. Even fully staffed you cannot always catch the ones doubling back in the lines to eat a regular tray after they have eaten the special tray prepared for them. To “Just Sayin”…it is obvious that you are an ex-inmate or you know the inmate that you are talking about personally. Sounds like you or him could benefit from reading and understanding "NICKS" statement. To “Nick” it takes a real man to admit his faults and not blame the system, their rules or their employees. I commend you for that and I wish you continued success . . Until you have worked in a prison you really don’t have a clue about what you are talking about. I myself have worked in a DOC prison for 8 years. Religion in prison is a very different thing than Religion in the free world. For the most part, religion in prison is just another way for inmates to get out of their dorms and go to the chapel to try to pass some contraband off to another inmate or to hook up with other gang members to pass information or contraband, or even to try to assault another inmate or staff member.
Now don’t get me wrong, I do believe in having religious activities in prison because if it helps to change someone for the better then I am all for it but it has been my experience that I have seen them use religious activities for their personal gain and it has nothing to do with making them a better person.
In my time spent working there I have seen many inmates claim to be a certain religion and therefore they have to have a special meal…but then I have seen those same inmates order and eat all kinds of stuff from the inmate canteen. Every year at RAMDAN, those inmates religious belief requires that during a certain period they only eat after the sun sets. So the DOC accommodates those inmates and prepares special meals for them and they are fed after sunset. As an officer or Sergeant working that inmate’s dorm I saw him eating honey buns, soups and chips during day light in his dorm. I have seen those claiming to be Vegans eat their vegan meal provided to them and also eat food they purchased from the inmate canteen containing animal products. When you are feeding a compound of about 1400 inmates and the inmates have to be moved from their dorms to the chow hall the special meal programs are the ones that cause the most problems. Even fully staffed you cannot always catch the ones doubling back in the lines to eat a regular tray after they have eaten the special tray prepared for them.

To “Just Sayin”…it is obvious that you are an ex-inmate or you know the inmate that you are talking about personally. Sounds like you or him could benefit from reading and understanding “NICKS” statement.

To “Nick” it takes a real man to admit his faults and not blame the system, their rules or their employees. I commend you for that and I wish you continued success . .

]]> By: David Huie Green http://www.northescambia.com/2012/08/feds-sue-florida-prisons-over-kosher-meals/comment-page-1#comment-141479 David Huie Green Mon, 20 Aug 2012 04:42:06 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=107284#comment-141479 REGARDING: "Jesus directs that we should visit the imprisoned and here we hear these sorts of things said, let ‘em starve. Who cares? crass and very frightening how people see people" Think hard and try to figure how many we have forced to starve. By the way, that was part of the reason to visit those in prison, some governments didn't bother to feed their prisoners so if friends and/or family didn't visit them, they starved. Such is not the case in this country. Further, many of those imprisoned in that day and time were there for the crime of being Christian, that is why the Lord referred to them as his people. Others he referred to as vipers , not his people. Governments don't tend to imprison people for having the wrong religion in this country, even though some believers manage to do things which get them sent to prison. Many people DO visit those in prison, but admittedly not all. One danger in involvement with inmates is that a number of them look on all people as simply tools to use, income for drugs or victims to prey upon when released. What is the number? something like half test out as sociopaths? Most don’t mind helping those willing to act decently but when you consider how hard it is to get imprisoned, they’ve usually used up a bunch of chances by that point and have worn down their supporters. But, if it makes you happy to call people ugly for not being nicer to crooks, enjoy yourself. David for happiness REGARDING:
“Jesus directs that we should visit the imprisoned and here we hear these sorts of things said, let ‘em starve. Who cares? crass and very frightening how people see people”

Think hard and try to figure how many we have forced to starve.

By the way, that was part of the reason to visit those in prison, some governments didn’t bother to feed their prisoners so if friends and/or family didn’t visit them, they starved. Such is not the case in this country.

Further, many of those imprisoned in that day and time were there for the crime of being Christian, that is why the Lord referred to them as his people. Others he referred to as vipers , not his people. Governments don’t tend to imprison people for having the wrong religion in this country, even though some believers manage to do things which get them sent to prison.

Many people DO visit those in prison, but admittedly not all. One danger in involvement with inmates is that a number of them look on all people as simply tools to use, income for drugs or victims to prey upon when released. What is the number? something like half test out as sociopaths? Most don’t mind helping those willing to act decently but when you consider how hard it is to get imprisoned, they’ve usually used up a bunch of chances by that point and have worn down their supporters.

But, if it makes you happy to call people ugly for not being nicer to crooks, enjoy yourself.

David for happiness

]]> By: Just wonderin http://www.northescambia.com/2012/08/feds-sue-florida-prisons-over-kosher-meals/comment-page-1#comment-141471 Just wonderin Mon, 20 Aug 2012 04:07:50 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=107284#comment-141471 @ Just Sayin: Sounds to me like you are a genuine, caring and loving individual who wants to do what you can to help a friend or loved one. The sad thing is, you are the perfect target for buying into someones deception and lies. You can rest assured that the load of crap that has been feed to you is nothing but what ive described it. CRAP... There are cameras all over that particular housing unit that are capable of review at any time. There are rules in the FAC that regulate the amount of recreation time confinement inmates recieve. There is a lot more that tells me this story is fabricated and trust me, if this inmate was being treated unfairly, the IG would be more than happy to get rid of that officer. Hope you can do some more investigating for yourself and figure out that this is a bogus story that was fed to you. @ Just Sayin: Sounds to me like you are a genuine, caring and loving individual who wants to do what you can to help a friend or loved one. The sad thing is, you are the perfect target for buying into someones deception and lies. You can rest assured that the load of crap that has been feed to you is nothing but what ive described it. CRAP… There are cameras all over that particular housing unit that are capable of review at any time. There are rules in the FAC that regulate the amount of recreation time confinement inmates recieve. There is a lot more that tells me this story is fabricated and trust me, if this inmate was being treated unfairly, the IG would be more than happy to get rid of that officer. Hope you can do some more investigating for yourself and figure out that this is a bogus story that was fed to you.

]]> By: Nick http://www.northescambia.com/2012/08/feds-sue-florida-prisons-over-kosher-meals/comment-page-1#comment-141429 Nick Mon, 20 Aug 2012 00:25:05 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=107284#comment-141429 Just Sayin: Where do you get your information from? Have you been incarcerated? I spent most of my adult life in prison on an installment plan. I would get sent off for 5 or more years, stay out awhile screw up and go back. I have been out of prison longer this time than ever before. Been out since March 11, 2004. Every bit of the trouble I have been in and everything I got, I deserved. I spent from 1996 to 2002 in close management. I seen people gassed and every one of them had it coming. I was gassed one time and I asked for it. Until I began accepting responsibility for my behavior, I stayed in trouble. Once I seen the problem was me and not the guards or the police or my boss, or parents, or old lady I began to straighten up. I have had a job since June of 2004, I pay my bills and when I do something wrong I take responsibility. Every bit of the stuff you are saying sounds like it is coming from an inmate. The guards are good people for the most part. They didn't put us in prison we did. Whatever you are being told sounds to me like someone is feeding you a load of crap. Just Sayin:
Where do you get your information from? Have you been incarcerated? I spent most of my adult life in prison on an installment plan. I would get sent off for 5 or more years, stay out awhile screw up and go back. I have been out of prison longer this time than ever before. Been out since March 11, 2004. Every bit of the trouble I have been in and everything I got, I deserved. I spent from 1996 to 2002 in close management. I seen people gassed and every one of them had it coming. I was gassed one time and I asked for it. Until I began accepting responsibility for my behavior, I stayed in trouble. Once I seen the problem was me and not the guards or the police or my boss, or parents, or old lady I began to straighten up. I have had a job since June of 2004, I pay my bills and when I do something wrong I take responsibility. Every bit of the stuff you are saying sounds like it is coming from an inmate. The guards are good people for the most part. They didn’t put us in prison we did. Whatever you are being told sounds to me like someone is feeding you a load of crap.

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