Comments on: 4-H Council Gets First Look At Navy Federal Sale Agreement, County Offer

By: gulf Coast

gulf Coast — Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:26:01 +0000

RobH,
Here is where you are wrong..
The 4H is not being allowed the choice of where to move. The first meeting people were told that the kids would have a voice. That has definitely NOT been the case. All it would have taken is a bunch of post-it notes and a posterboard, a brainstorming exercis where the kids list what they would want to replace LBC. Instead they got “4H cant own land ” Of course that changed last week.

If you attended the meetings you would have seen that only the “experts” at extension have been the ones with a voice. Kinda like the caretaker making the deal to sell the landowners land. That choice is being withheld from them by Extension.
Extension is not 4H, they are the people that are paid by the taxpayers to run the program, but extension dont not get a vote in the sale. If extension were to lay all its cards out on the table say 6 months ago, instead of last week then the decision would not have to be made in haste.

example: the parents and volunteers were told extension would not sign off on any land purchase, but last week the 4H could now purchase land with a portion of the money from the sale.

Extension has lost all respect from the parents of the 4H kids involved in this sale. The only difference between this deal and the soccer field is the turnip pot.

By: 429SCJ

429SCJ — Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:49:23 +0000

Children of 4H, if this sale goes through ensure that whatever land and financial trust
you end up with, that nowhere on the deed or trust documents appears the words
Escambia County Commission. Avoid this a second time, give them no authority
over you.

I would suggest adding Agrilaw to your disciplines.

By: Daniel Eddins

Daniel Eddins — Thu, 19 Apr 2012 03:37:07 +0000

To: me, I attended a portion of the meeting last night. The children were all given mantilla envelopes and instructed on the voting process. I do not know what was in the envelopes but I would suspect it was the ballot they would be casting on Monday evening. I for one have been to the lbc and my children former members. A lot of the accusations made against the county, state and our local representatives smack of the truth. Judge Bell was present last night and spoke to the children from his heart. Although the other legal Rep tried to sound neutral about the proposal it was obvious she was pushing the Stefanie rd option. I know I have been negative about the Bayer site. I did get some peace about it from a longtime acquaintance who assured me that Bayer would not chance the millions in fines from federal and local authorities. He has been to the site and as previous comments have indicated, is a great location and everything for 4 H ers would be able to be done on-site.My only hope for there to be no funny business is the fact that Judge Bell was taking his time out to be present. For those who don’t know, he sat on the FL. Supreme court. His grandfather donated the land and he is of good reputation and his children are some of the most respectful and impressive as any I have ever met. I really don’t believe that he or his firm would allow the children’s rights or wishes to be abused.I was very uncomfortable about the whole scene until I saw him present. Let’s hope the children take the other option vs. Stefanie rd. Where 4 h would probably see it’s demise.

By: me

me — Thu, 19 Apr 2012 02:56:55 +0000

Monday, April 23rd the 4-H delegates will vote on the Sale of the Langley Bell 4-H Center. There will be two voting locations manned by the Supervisor of Elections personnel.
Since much adue has been made by the Extension Office about the voting procedures being conducted by our Supervisor of Elections so that everything would be fair, honest and above board, shouldn’t the 4-H youth have an opportunity to view a sample voting ballot prior to going to the voting polls? After all, in all official elections, David Stafford’s office prints them in the paper as well as mails out Sample Ballots to each registered voter. All fair and square, with no surprises.
Can anyone tell me if the voting delegates are going to be furnished a copy ahead of time or are they going to be able to get a copy if they request one from Mr. Stafford’s Office?

By: RobH

RobH — Thu, 19 Apr 2012 02:50:33 +0000

How many of you have been to the 4H site in let’s say the last 5 years? How many of you nay sayers have any actual knowledge of the specifics of the deal that is proposed?

Some of you start running your mouths about conspiracy theories and making claims that you have no knowledge to speak on.

The sides are looking for a winning proposal for all sides including our local economy. NavFed would get the land they desire to add hundreds of stable, sought after jobs that include above avg pay and great benefits. The 4H moves to a location of their choice (not your’s or mine, but their’s) so that 4H can continue to offer services and even grow. The local economy benefits from the increased revenue that is funneled through the new jobs and into our local economy.

It’s no wonder companies look elsewhere to expand or open shops….with hypocrites like you all trying to call shots about stuff your are ignorant to I’d look elsewhere too.

By: Math Class

Math Class — Thu, 19 Apr 2012 02:21:59 +0000

Citizens of Escambia County, Help me out with something! I am just an old country girl. Help me out with these Math equations.

I never took “TRICKONOMETRY”.

How does 240 acres = a 4H building + a yard on Stephani Rd.

How does 240 acres = 20 to 30 acres next to Roy Hyatt Center

When does 240 = 240?

Is “Trickonometry” an aquired Math or is this special Math taught only at the Extension Services by the Director!

By: molino jim

molino jim — Thu, 19 Apr 2012 01:17:56 +0000

@Interesting— If you are out of work and have been for a while $10.00 per hour sounds like “big money”. I was told by an employee that they make a better wage than that and can quality for insurance. I do not work there, but the people I know who do think it’s a good place to work. The job is not easy — but there are rewards in working there, namely a job. After watching two neighbors suffer the loss of their homes I can understand why 600 people hoping to go to work matters. There is a lot of open property here in the north end of the county and there would be more 4H member who could go to events and meetings. When the property was given to 4H it was way out in the country—not any more.

By: Jane

Jane — Wed, 18 Apr 2012 22:26:55 +0000

ANY LAWYERS OUT THERE LOOKING FOR A HIGH PROFILE PRO BONO CASE? This could make your career! Get the County Commissioners out of this…they have a proven track record, and it is not a good one!!! An election is coming up…get ALL the commissioners out!!!

By: Michelle

Michelle — Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:17:38 +0000

I have a really bad feeling about this one. I hope 4H doesn’t go through with the sale. If you sell, you wil have to answer to the County for any of the freedoms you have now.

The (sale) money goes into an account, and the (children) 4H will exsist on the interest. You can just feel Pensacola Co. just salivating over how they can use that money for themselves. I’d be surprised if they haven’t spent it (in their heads) already.

The south end of the county, is very good at ignoring our needs in general. Maybe throw us a bone every now and then. But in the long run and the future of the next genration of farmers. What and where will they be able to go in the next 5-20 years from now when this is gone for good?

Please think very carefully before you decide. As far as it goes, you might as well be trading in beads. All the best for your futures whatever the outcome may be.

By: where's the love

where's the love — Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:13:14 +0000

To interesting: The 4H currently operates off of the interest made on the first land deal. This deal will add to that income and might even open up opportunities to expand its use of their property and events. I can also assure you that your idea of a “high paying salary” might be less than the lowest guy on the totem pole at NFCU. I don’t remember the exact figure, but the average starting wages at this campus is around $3 an hour higher than local averages.