Two different governments: federal and State of Florida. The same rules need not apply.

Further, when Presidents Bush and Obama bailed out those corporations, they did not do so for the good of the corporations but rather justified it on how many investors had their life savings tied up in them. That was why they called them “too big to fail;” their failure would hurt millions of innocent people.

This is not to say that the bail out was a good thing or that it wasn’t. I’m not sure. One thing of which I AM certain is that the bail out should have come with strings attached like most government dealings. Instead, the very people who brought the corporations to the brink of disaster were paid large bonuses based on their contracts. Contracts are to be honored but it was silly to give or loan them money to reward those who seem to have been so reckless.

Most of them have returned the money provided already –with interest, so it isn’t like it hurt the people but it isn’t a good thing to do lest people justify future bail outs with “they did it for AIG and Lehman, they should do it for me!”

I doubt any future bailouts will happen without the strings, maybe drug testing SHOULD be a string in case they consider it in the future, test the executives and all their relatives out to the fifth generation rather than take our money and reward reckless actions with it.

David for value

It would be unjust and unfair to drug test welfare recipients, those getting money from the government for support, when THEY NEVER TESTED AIG, LEHMAN BROTHERS, AND ALL THE OTHER CROOKS AND CORPORATE GIANTS ON WALL STREET WHEN THEY WERE GIVEN GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS – ALSO KNOWN AS THE BAILOUT?

Any sensible individual can see that this is more of a class and socioeconomic issue than it is about anything else.

I was thinking that too. After all, asking people why they were demanding money seems SOOOOO invasive of privacy. Thus, if they keep it up, folks are less and less likely to support such programs at all and there is nothing forcing their existence.

David for a true safety net

Article of Amendment Number Four, Article of Amendment Number Ten, Article of Amendment Number 14 but when I mentioned Bill of Rights, that included Articles of Amendment numbers one through ten. I didn’t do it with the 14th, though, so you got me good and proper there. Don’t see how I can wiggle out of that one.

Further, you’re right about the age requirements being age discrimination. Thankfully, so far the courts have agreed we can still discriminate in treatment of minors. Or maybe, sadly, depending on your view toward four year olds voting for county commissioners and presidents or whether crimes against twelve year olds are worse than the same thing against grownups. For that matter, some of the age limits are written into the Constitution so they are constitutional by definition, others maybe not so much so.

David discussing framework of government
and concepts thereof

This get me however, when working people must pee in a cup at an
employers demand and we do it, but welfare people are above all that,
and it would be against their constitutional rights. Har Har Har!

Thank you for your service. You are, indeed, entitled to benefits from every available source, depending on your needs.

You are not one whom most would feel is getting undeserved benefits.

You must, however, understand the frustration at those who are paying property tax, automobile license fees (taxes), taxes on utilities, income taxes, and other similar taxes to various governments to the point of living on a very restricted budget only to see someone walk past them in a grocery line with a buggy full of food, see them pay with a government hand-out, get into a nice car and leave. It is disheartening to see someone who could work, but won’t because they can’t/won’t be able to pass a drug test get free utilities or free medical benefits, free child care and weeks of unemployment. All the time, many are working to pay bills and taxes in order to keep people who have learned to manipulate the system and are undeserved.

I myself wonder why I have strived to be successful and work my way up the old ladder, go to college (oh yeah, student loan to pay back, now) and work hard to establish a lifestyle. I have wondered many times why I just don’t join them and hang out and enjoy life.

Not to say there aren’t people who are deserving of social help; to those I have no qualm. It is to those who have learned to manipulate and are getting away with the equivalent of fraud. It is to those who will take social benefits and abuse them and support a drug or alcohol problem. Those are the ones many resent. Those are the ones many, like me, resent paying taxes for.

Many of those are ones who will vote to increase sales tax or property tax or some other tax but have no skin in the game. Why should someone who doesn’t pay taxes get to vote on them?

Someone like yourself, Hmm, need not be concerned, the posting of many on this board on subjects like this aren’t aimed to persons like yourself.