Comments on: Century Sand And Gravel Company Cited For Operating Without A Permit http://www.northescambia.com/2011/08/campbells-sand-gravel-cited-for-operating-without-a-permit Local News for Molino, Bratt, McDavid, Century, Walnut Hill, Cantonment Fri, 17 Apr 2026 13:20:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: David Huie Green http://www.northescambia.com/2011/08/campbells-sand-gravel-cited-for-operating-without-a-permit/comment-page-1#comment-97810 David Huie Green Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:26:45 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=64132#comment-97810 REGARDING: ”Don’t believe anything you hear and only half of what you see.” I heard it but if I'm to believe it that means I shouldn't believe it since it would be something I heard....... David considering a paradox REGARDING:
”Don’t believe anything you hear and only half of what you see.”

I heard it but if I’m to believe it that means I shouldn’t believe it since it would be something I heard…….

David considering a paradox

]]> By: Kay http://www.northescambia.com/2011/08/campbells-sand-gravel-cited-for-operating-without-a-permit/comment-page-1#comment-97710 Kay Wed, 24 Aug 2011 23:25:38 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=64132#comment-97710 Ok Folks , don't believe everything you read to be the gospel......did you ever hear the ole saying......"Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see." Kay for the Campbell"s............. Ok Folks , don’t believe everything you read to be the gospel……did you ever hear the ole saying……”Don’t believe anything you hear and only half of what you see.”

Kay for the Campbell”s………….

]]> By: just listening http://www.northescambia.com/2011/08/campbells-sand-gravel-cited-for-operating-without-a-permit/comment-page-1#comment-97555 just listening Wed, 24 Aug 2011 00:18:28 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=64132#comment-97555 The Campbells have been in the Sand and Gravel business in the north end of Escambia County for over 60 years. They have employed MANY people over the years and have supported the Schools and many orginazations. They are probably the oldest employer in the North end of Escambia County. "If it ain't broke then don't fix it" as Mr Robertson has said. Shucks---I sometime wonder if there is enough sand and gravel in the North end of Escambia for Pensacola and southern part of the county to build homes and Businesses. It's all about the dollar anyway. ANOTHER county perrmit. The Campbells have been in the Sand and Gravel business in the north end of Escambia County for over 60 years. They have employed MANY people over the years and have supported the Schools and many orginazations. They are probably the oldest employer in the North end of Escambia County. “If it ain’t broke then don’t fix it” as Mr Robertson has said. Shucks—I sometime wonder if there is enough sand and gravel in the North end of Escambia for Pensacola and southern part of the county to build homes and Businesses. It’s all about the dollar anyway. ANOTHER county perrmit.

]]> By: David Huie Green http://www.northescambia.com/2011/08/campbells-sand-gravel-cited-for-operating-without-a-permit/comment-page-1#comment-97551 David Huie Green Tue, 23 Aug 2011 23:13:29 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=64132#comment-97551 REGARDING: “The problem, David Huie Green, is do all companies trying to compete get the same blind eye?" I've always maintained every law should be enforced vigorously. I just think some laws should not exist. You (sort of) pointed out that established businesses have an easier time continuing than start-ups do. They have more time to learn the hoops to jump through. They often have associations which keep them informed regarding many of these hoops. Whereas, people thinking they could do the same thing for less and give jobs to others in the process quite often find themselves in violation of one ordinance after another until they just give up. Some of these associations even have lobbyists to have laws written to make it harder for newcomers to compete with them. This gives them an effective monopoly and allows them to charge the rest of us more since they have less competition. I’m sure James can hire lawyers to satisfy the legal issues. (We need more lawyers as we write more laws; good thing they‘re cheap.) Even if they were to shut him down, I know he has lands in Alabama he can pump gravel from. It would raise the price, probably use more fossil fuel to move it, probably help someone he was competing with down that way, give Alabama the jobs we used to have. HE won’t starve. He may just have to lay off some workers. David liking gravel lakes REGARDING:
“The problem, David Huie Green, is do all companies trying to compete get the same blind eye?”

I’ve always maintained every law should be enforced vigorously. I just think some laws should not exist.

You (sort of) pointed out that established businesses have an easier time continuing than start-ups do. They have more time to learn the hoops to jump through. They often have associations which keep them informed regarding many of these hoops. Whereas, people thinking they could do the same thing for less and give jobs to others in the process quite often find themselves in violation of one ordinance after another until they just give up.

Some of these associations even have lobbyists to have laws written to make it harder for newcomers to compete with them. This gives them an effective monopoly and allows them to charge the rest of us more since they have less competition.

I’m sure James can hire lawyers to satisfy the legal issues. (We need more lawyers as we write more laws; good thing they‘re cheap.) Even if they were to shut him down, I know he has lands in Alabama he can pump gravel from. It would raise the price, probably use more fossil fuel to move it, probably help someone he was competing with down that way, give Alabama the jobs we used to have.

HE won’t starve. He may just have to lay off some workers.

David liking gravel lakes

]]> By: escambiamom http://www.northescambia.com/2011/08/campbells-sand-gravel-cited-for-operating-without-a-permit/comment-page-1#comment-97544 escambiamom Tue, 23 Aug 2011 21:53:03 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=64132#comment-97544 I think that the recent laws about borrow pits came after the County Administrator at the time was letting Roads Inc. develop their "catfish pond" indefinitely through a platted subdivision, saying there was a "loophole" in the ordinances. I think if someone had applied some decency and common sense then that new ordinance wouldn't have been needed.. At the time, I was told that the County had it's own borrow pits that they used that were unpermitted. Wonder if that is true? The problem, David Huie Green, is do all companies trying to compete get the same blind eye? Or just the ones connected to the commissioners? How can newer companies operate if they have to follow regulations and the older, established ones don't? (Do you know how much money Roads Inc. probably saved operating an illegal pit down the road from their asphalt plant and current projects instead of having to truck dirt in from farther ends of the county? Did that effect their price when they bid for government contracts?) But I think what Comm. Robertson might have been trying to say is that a pit out in the way north end might not be as disruptive as one near established housing subdivisions. Code Enforcement is a complaint driven process in this county. Of course, I don't know for sure what he really meant ... I think that the recent laws about borrow pits came after the County Administrator at the time was letting Roads Inc. develop their “catfish pond” indefinitely through a platted subdivision, saying there was a “loophole” in the ordinances. I think if someone had applied some decency and common sense then that new ordinance wouldn’t have been needed..

At the time, I was told that the County had it’s own borrow pits that they used that were unpermitted. Wonder if that is true?

The problem, David Huie Green, is do all companies trying to compete get the same blind eye? Or just the ones connected to the commissioners? How can newer companies operate if they have to follow regulations and the older, established ones don’t? (Do you know how much money Roads Inc. probably saved operating an illegal pit down the road from their asphalt plant and current projects instead of having to truck dirt in from farther ends of the county? Did that effect their price when they bid for government contracts?)

But I think what Comm. Robertson might have been trying to say is that a pit out in the way north end might not be as disruptive as one near established housing subdivisions. Code Enforcement is a complaint driven process in this county.
Of course, I don’t know for sure what he really meant …

]]> By: Bjay http://www.northescambia.com/2011/08/campbells-sand-gravel-cited-for-operating-without-a-permit/comment-page-1#comment-97539 Bjay Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:12:40 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=64132#comment-97539 Stop blaming the county. This pit could have been grandfathered in and they chose to ignore the law. If any jobs are lost then its the buisness owners fault. If it wasnt monitored then anybody could dig a hole in their back yard and sale dirt. What would you think if it was your neighbor? Who cares why it wasnt handled properly before, It is now and thats all that matters. As a buisness owner you know what licenses or permits you need to operate. They chose to ignore the laws and should be punished. Stop blaming the county. This pit could have been grandfathered in and they chose to ignore the law. If any jobs are lost then its the buisness owners fault. If it wasnt monitored then anybody could dig a hole in their back yard and sale dirt. What would you think if it was your neighbor? Who cares why it wasnt handled properly before, It is now and thats all that matters. As a buisness owner you know what licenses or permits you need to operate. They chose to ignore the laws and should be punished.

]]> By: jeeperman http://www.northescambia.com/2011/08/campbells-sand-gravel-cited-for-operating-without-a-permit/comment-page-1#comment-97523 jeeperman Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:23:36 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=64132#comment-97523 Spot on Nancy Gibson. According to Commissioner Robertson the county would never know there is a pit anywhere in the county if not for complaints from citizens. Spot on Nancy Gibson.
According to Commissioner Robertson the county would never know there is a pit anywhere in the county if not for complaints from citizens.

]]> By: JIM W http://www.northescambia.com/2011/08/campbells-sand-gravel-cited-for-operating-without-a-permit/comment-page-1#comment-97519 JIM W Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:10:19 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=64132#comment-97519 Sounds to me like the county needs a self investigation to find out why this was not enforced in the first place. Another thing to think about: maybe just maybe they don't need the ordinance in the first place. Has any one thought about loosing jobs and revenue from jobs? David points it out quite well. My, oh my it never ceases to amaze me what goes on sometimes with these kinds of things. Sounds to me like the county needs a self investigation to find out why this was not enforced in the first place. Another thing to think about: maybe just maybe they don’t need the ordinance in the first place. Has any one thought about loosing jobs and revenue from jobs? David points it out quite well. My, oh my it never ceases to amaze me what goes on sometimes with these kinds of things.

]]> By: Nancy Gibson Rueb http://www.northescambia.com/2011/08/campbells-sand-gravel-cited-for-operating-without-a-permit/comment-page-1#comment-97508 Nancy Gibson Rueb Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:32:21 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=64132#comment-97508 In addition to my first comment: A business that has been operating for 50 years should know when permits are needed. But, If you have a county commissioner with the thinking and attitude that Mr. Robertson has, why should you worry about a permit or county laws that might apply to you. Nancy for letting the law apply fairly In addition to my first comment:

A business that has been operating for 50 years should know when permits are needed. But, If you have a county commissioner with the thinking and attitude that Mr. Robertson has, why should you worry about a permit or county laws that might apply to you.

Nancy for letting the law apply fairly

]]> By: Nancy Gibson Rueb http://www.northescambia.com/2011/08/campbells-sand-gravel-cited-for-operating-without-a-permit/comment-page-1#comment-97507 Nancy Gibson Rueb Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:22:38 +0000 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=64132#comment-97507 When a company has operated for 50 years they should know when permits are needed. When a company has operated for 50 years they should know when permits are needed.

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