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		<title>By: Bob Hudson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No I do not agree with  this at all, read my earlier post, and I do not believe in vouchers for any one.</description>
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		<title>By: huh</title>
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		<dc:creator>huh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bob Hudson

I dont think you are going to be happy when your tax dollars go to support a religious group that you don&#039;t agree with. 

Are you going to be ok with your tax money going to schools to teach the kids about Allah and the Koran , preaching during school?</description>
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<p>I dont think you are going to be happy when your tax dollars go to support a religious group that you don&#8217;t agree with. </p>
<p>Are you going to be ok with your tax money going to schools to teach the kids about Allah and the Koran , preaching during school?</p>
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		<title>By: tbpcola</title>
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		<dc:creator>tbpcola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you noticed that a country supposedly built on religious freedom and tolerance is quick to deny groups the same rights to worship, especially when those groups are different from the mainstream (yes I am talking about Muslims).  

The First Amendment guarantees Religious Freedom to all, regardless of faith.  It also prohibits government interference with that right.  It seems to me that the proposed Amendment 7 would be opening the door to government endorsement of specific religions and denial to others.

We the People, need to ensure that everyone&#039;s rights are protected --- not just the favored majority.  If we fail to do this, what other freedoms and rights would be next to be controlled?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you noticed that a country supposedly built on religious freedom and tolerance is quick to deny groups the same rights to worship, especially when those groups are different from the mainstream (yes I am talking about Muslims).  </p>
<p>The First Amendment guarantees Religious Freedom to all, regardless of faith.  It also prohibits government interference with that right.  It seems to me that the proposed Amendment 7 would be opening the door to government endorsement of specific religions and denial to others.</p>
<p>We the People, need to ensure that everyone&#8217;s rights are protected &#8212; not just the favored majority.  If we fail to do this, what other freedoms and rights would be next to be controlled?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Hudson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 21:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you ever notice , that those who claim not to believe in God, Are the one&#039;s that are the most afraid of him? At the mere mention of his name, they become very angry , And do not wish to be around, any thing close to religion. Now, if I did not believe in something, what would it matter? It seems that logically, If you do not believe in it, it can not hurt you or it would at least not even bother you enough to care.But that is not the way they react. They seem bent on destroying any thing that they can that is related to it, and yet, they say they do not believe it is real. Just a observation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever notice , that those who claim not to believe in God, Are the one&#8217;s that are the most afraid of him? At the mere mention of his name, they become very angry , And do not wish to be around, any thing close to religion. Now, if I did not believe in something, what would it matter? It seems that logically, If you do not believe in it, it can not hurt you or it would at least not even bother you enough to care.But that is not the way they react. They seem bent on destroying any thing that they can that is related to it, and yet, they say they do not believe it is real. Just a observation.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Hudson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 21:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Godless country , is no different , than Russia , or China.This is what I had mention earlier, About people trying to make this a Godless nation. Well we were not founded on this principle, It is a intolerance, brought forth by those who hate God.And it seems to come mostly from the far-left.And they are not willing to compromise  about any thing.Just look at the ACLU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Godless country , is no different , than Russia , or China.This is what I had mention earlier, About people trying to make this a Godless nation. Well we were not founded on this principle, It is a intolerance, brought forth by those who hate God.And it seems to come mostly from the far-left.And they are not willing to compromise  about any thing.Just look at the ACLU.</p>
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		<title>By: Thinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 20:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freedom itself is at stake here.  If we don&#039;t fully and completely separate church and state, including all mention of god from the pledge of allegiance and our money and our political processes, we are giving up freedom in increments and in a few generations we will be a totalitarian state or theocracy.  

Why?  Because freedom of religion/conscience, freedom OF and freedom FROM religion is the bottom line.  We are diverse in belief and conviction. The Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights supports freedom of the INDIVIDUAL, not ANY group, but most especially not any religious organization, church, school, etc.  These people in Florida government wanting to mess with these laws should probably be prosecuted for treason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom itself is at stake here.  If we don&#8217;t fully and completely separate church and state, including all mention of god from the pledge of allegiance and our money and our political processes, we are giving up freedom in increments and in a few generations we will be a totalitarian state or theocracy.  </p>
<p>Why?  Because freedom of religion/conscience, freedom OF and freedom FROM religion is the bottom line.  We are diverse in belief and conviction. The Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights supports freedom of the INDIVIDUAL, not ANY group, but most especially not any religious organization, church, school, etc.  These people in Florida government wanting to mess with these laws should probably be prosecuted for treason.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 17:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is Article I, Section 3 of the Florida Constitution:  &quot;Religious freedom.—There shall be no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting or penalizing the free exercise thereof. Religious freedom shall not justify practices inconsistent with public morals, peace or safety. No revenue of the state or any political subdivision or agency thereof shall ever be taken from the public treasury directly or indirectly in aid of any church, sect, or religious denomination or in aid of any sectarian institution.&quot;

Hmm.  How many of you would like to see vouchers go to Protestant Christian schools?  Okay, how about Jewish schools?  Roman Catholic?  Or, an Islamic school?  Buddist?  Hindu?  Wiccan?  Transcendentalist?  You get the point.  Who would not mind seeing their tax dollars go to the school (through vouchers) that YOU believe in?  But, do you have any heartburn about those same dollars going to one of these institutions that you do not support?  I bet you do.

You see, we are all free to freely exercise religion.  Many countries cannot do this in their own homes without being spied upon by the government.  (Chinese Christians and Sudanese Christians are good examples of such.)  BUT, no public money can aid in that exercise of freedom of religion.

If you are one of those who loves to point to the Constitution and show how it is not being followed, keep in mind Article I Section 3 of the Florida Constitution has never been found to be in conflict with the U.S. Constitution, and remember that we are citizens of both the U.S. and our state of residence.  

Public school vouchers support religious teachings (indirectly).  And that is unconstitutional.  But, if a family wants to raise a child in a certain religious environment, they are FREE under both constitutions to do so.  If you believe Baptist is the way, you are free to teach and practice it.  If you believe Catholic is the way, you, too, are free to teach and practice it.  Same goes for those religions not popular regionally.

If you are wanting to improve education of young people, vouchers is not the &quot;cure all&quot; solution.  I would instead focus on less TV (which is essentially anti-religion culture entering YOUR family home), less on internet games and silly activities, and more on reading, exploring, and simply talking with one another and communicating better.  Expand your faith within the family.  Please don&#039;t make the government, public schools, etc. pick a religion and teach it.   As parents, that is YOUR responsibility to pass the torch of a faith to your children.  That&#039;s perfectly legal, and that&#039;s what America&#039;s religious freedom is about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is Article I, Section 3 of the Florida Constitution:  &#8220;Religious freedom.—There shall be no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting or penalizing the free exercise thereof. Religious freedom shall not justify practices inconsistent with public morals, peace or safety. No revenue of the state or any political subdivision or agency thereof shall ever be taken from the public treasury directly or indirectly in aid of any church, sect, or religious denomination or in aid of any sectarian institution.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmm.  How many of you would like to see vouchers go to Protestant Christian schools?  Okay, how about Jewish schools?  Roman Catholic?  Or, an Islamic school?  Buddist?  Hindu?  Wiccan?  Transcendentalist?  You get the point.  Who would not mind seeing their tax dollars go to the school (through vouchers) that YOU believe in?  But, do you have any heartburn about those same dollars going to one of these institutions that you do not support?  I bet you do.</p>
<p>You see, we are all free to freely exercise religion.  Many countries cannot do this in their own homes without being spied upon by the government.  (Chinese Christians and Sudanese Christians are good examples of such.)  BUT, no public money can aid in that exercise of freedom of religion.</p>
<p>If you are one of those who loves to point to the Constitution and show how it is not being followed, keep in mind Article I Section 3 of the Florida Constitution has never been found to be in conflict with the U.S. Constitution, and remember that we are citizens of both the U.S. and our state of residence.  </p>
<p>Public school vouchers support religious teachings (indirectly).  And that is unconstitutional.  But, if a family wants to raise a child in a certain religious environment, they are FREE under both constitutions to do so.  If you believe Baptist is the way, you are free to teach and practice it.  If you believe Catholic is the way, you, too, are free to teach and practice it.  Same goes for those religions not popular regionally.</p>
<p>If you are wanting to improve education of young people, vouchers is not the &#8220;cure all&#8221; solution.  I would instead focus on less TV (which is essentially anti-religion culture entering YOUR family home), less on internet games and silly activities, and more on reading, exploring, and simply talking with one another and communicating better.  Expand your faith within the family.  Please don&#8217;t make the government, public schools, etc. pick a religion and teach it.   As parents, that is YOUR responsibility to pass the torch of a faith to your children.  That&#8217;s perfectly legal, and that&#8217;s what America&#8217;s religious freedom is about.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Hudson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a bad feeling about this, I do believe  the liberals have gone to far as demanding what  is allowed in public school and in court rooms. 10 commandments , prayer, and religious activities.  . But do you really want to take money from the government?I do not agree with vouchers at all, But remember, seems that when you jump in to bed with the government, there always seems to be (conditions) sooner or later. This bill I think had good intentions, but they say the road to hell is paved with those. No offence, But I do not want government in a church, if you take their money , you are now obligated to do their bidding.As a firm believer, in the Lord Jesus Christ, this seems to be like taking money from the devil.A Trojan horse you might say. This is one of those Thanks, but no thanks deals,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a bad feeling about this, I do believe  the liberals have gone to far as demanding what  is allowed in public school and in court rooms. 10 commandments , prayer, and religious activities.  . But do you really want to take money from the government?I do not agree with vouchers at all, But remember, seems that when you jump in to bed with the government, there always seems to be (conditions) sooner or later. This bill I think had good intentions, but they say the road to hell is paved with those. No offence, But I do not want government in a church, if you take their money , you are now obligated to do their bidding.As a firm believer, in the Lord Jesus Christ, this seems to be like taking money from the devil.A Trojan horse you might say. This is one of those Thanks, but no thanks deals,</p>
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		<title>By: David Huie Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Huie Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REGARDING:
&quot; it violated a different part of the state constitution dealing with a promise to give Florida students a “uniform” free public education.&quot;

- - - which will never happen anyway. Public education is not uniform. There are special programs for those perceived to have special needs. (How uniform would it be to teach verbally to the deaf, teach in English to those who only speak French?) 

Teachers will prefer certain schools over others so some schools will have teachers who didn&#039;t want to be there. 

In some schools, students have to dodge bullets on the way, in others they have to dodge joggers.  

Students come to school with different outlooks and life experiences, so the same lesson by the same teacher will have different educational results.

Anyhoo, our state constitution thus promises an impossibility.

David for reality and honesty</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REGARDING:<br />
&#8221; it violated a different part of the state constitution dealing with a promise to give Florida students a “uniform” free public education.&#8221;</p>
<p>- &#8211; - which will never happen anyway. Public education is not uniform. There are special programs for those perceived to have special needs. (How uniform would it be to teach verbally to the deaf, teach in English to those who only speak French?) </p>
<p>Teachers will prefer certain schools over others so some schools will have teachers who didn&#8217;t want to be there. </p>
<p>In some schools, students have to dodge bullets on the way, in others they have to dodge joggers.  </p>
<p>Students come to school with different outlooks and life experiences, so the same lesson by the same teacher will have different educational results.</p>
<p>Anyhoo, our state constitution thus promises an impossibility.</p>
<p>David for reality and honesty</p>
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		<title>By: David Huie Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Huie Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REGARDING:
&quot;I’m still looking for the term “separation of church and state” in the constitution.&quot;

And, of course, you won&#039;t find it, not the phrase itself. 

The wording was first spelled out by President Thomas Jefferson in 1802 when writing to  Danbury Baptists Association &quot;- - - that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should &#039;make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,&#039; thus building a wall of separation between Church &amp; State.&quot; 
If you would kindly read the first amendment it states: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; - - - &quot;)

They were worried the federal government would support state churches, which many of them did at one time. They were afraid they would have to pay into the coffers of other churches even though they didn&#039;t agree with the teachings of those churches. It was important to them because they believed the doctrines of many other denominations or religions would send souls to Hell and did not want to pay to cause such destruction or for the rich lifestyles of their clergy. (The other folks were just as certain the doctrines of us Baptists would have the same effect.)

Anyway, if you take money from taxpayers and give it to churches in any form, you have supported that religion in some degree. Not everybody has the same religious beliefs. Anything other than separation will be construed by somebody as favoring somebody else.

David explaining</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REGARDING:<br />
&#8220;I’m still looking for the term “separation of church and state” in the constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>And, of course, you won&#8217;t find it, not the phrase itself. </p>
<p>The wording was first spelled out by President Thomas Jefferson in 1802 when writing to  Danbury Baptists Association &#8220;- &#8211; - that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should &#8216;make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,&#8217; thus building a wall of separation between Church &amp; State.&#8221;<br />
If you would kindly read the first amendment it states: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; &#8211; - &#8211; &#8220;)</p>
<p>They were worried the federal government would support state churches, which many of them did at one time. They were afraid they would have to pay into the coffers of other churches even though they didn&#8217;t agree with the teachings of those churches. It was important to them because they believed the doctrines of many other denominations or religions would send souls to Hell and did not want to pay to cause such destruction or for the rich lifestyles of their clergy. (The other folks were just as certain the doctrines of us Baptists would have the same effect.)</p>
<p>Anyway, if you take money from taxpayers and give it to churches in any form, you have supported that religion in some degree. Not everybody has the same religious beliefs. Anything other than separation will be construed by somebody as favoring somebody else.</p>
<p>David explaining</p>
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