I know the stimulus plan hasn’t delivered the result he professed he expected, so that would a failure of sorts.

I don’t believe it’s possible to stop people from crossing our borders any more than it’s possible to stop all prison escapes and people are escaping poverty to come to this country. Still, even if it is impossible — or maybe BECAUSE it’s impossible, you can make the case that not enough was done to stop illegal border crossings. Of course, most proposals to stop Hispanics coming over to work here would do nothing to stop determined terrorists and that’s the justification they keep throwing out.

(It’s noteworthy that we have jobs in this country which our citizens won’t do and which we don’t want to allow non-citizens to do. Something’s wrong with our social services situation on the first part when that occurs.)

We also remember seeing President Obama make fun of states who were worried about illegal aliens, non-citizens who are here illegally.

The “God and guns” statement was reported widely as Senator Obama was sucking up to some San Francisco donors while running for office. It really WAS insulting both to people of faith in God and to people of faith in firearms. (Also to folks who profess trust in God but only when armed, but there’s all kinds of religions.)

David for a perfect society

David said…”If you were referring to some other accusation, I missed it.”

I said…You missed it (them), David. Ol’ Bob has several rants in this “discussion”, not just the last post. “Failed stimulus plan, won’t defend borders, disdain for those who cling to their God and their guns,”etc., etc., etc. Some of these may even be true but Bob presents his case with nothing to back his argument but his opinions.

And then he tells someone else to do his research for him. Goodness, Bob.

If you meant his accusation that the current president blames the former president, please consider from above:

“In the year 2000, the government had a budget surplus. But instead of using it to pay off our debt, the money was spent on trillions of dollars in new tax cuts, while two wars and an expensive prescription drug program were simply added to our nation’s credit card.
As a result, the deficit was on track to top $1 trillion the year I took office. To make matters worse, the recession meant that there was less money coming in, and it required us to spend even more -– on tax cuts for middle-class families to spur the economy; on unemployment insurance; on aid to states so we could prevent more teachers and firefighters and police officers from being laid off. These emergency steps also added to the deficit.”

This says the former administration eliminated the budget surplus. The former administration cut funding and raised expenses.

It doesn’t say it but implies the former administration caused the recession which forced the current administration to continue deficit spending by spending even more and cutting taxes even more.

So, yes, current president is blaming former president for current problems. (It’s true in great part, but no excuse to continue to follow path you reject.)

If you were referring to some other accusation, I missed it. Major thing is: president is to propose budget, Congress is to pass a budget. President is to carry out instructions of Congress. Congress hasn’t done its job.

David for perfect legislators & presidents

I said…before Bob starts an exercise in blaming others. Bob,Bob,Bob,…..sit down for a minute. Take a deep breath. Once you get your head cleared you will see that you are just making statements without facts.

Can you cite the sources for all the broad accusations you make? Oh, and it would be helpful if maybe the source is not just the Murdoch News channel. If you could cite a *little bit* maybe you could be taken seriously and we could have a reasonable discussion.

I said… Bob says this, interestingly,…before blaming the Democrats for “everything under the sun.” And this after Obama quoted Reagan in a way the current crop of Republican leadership would never dare to.

By all means, let’s kill any vestiges of an attempt to improve health care in this country where fewer and fewer middle class folks can afford it. Let’s just let the insurance companies run the whole thing.

I remember when the Republicans killed the Clinton attempt to modify our health care fiasco. Bob Dole, when talking to the American people, said “Hey, we don’t have to do everything this year”. Then Republicans ignored the problem for the entirety of George Bush’s time in office, except for an unfunded mandate for Medicare drugs. Hey, I apologize. I voted for him twice. My bad.

During Bush the Second’s reign, he had a Republican congress to work with for half the time. We got nothing done (or attempted, really) in health care except for skyrocketing costs. And two expensive wars.

Bob’s second of two posts almost makes good sense except for the part about the jobs. We have companies making money hand over fist in this country right now, some with recording breaking profits. S&P’s top 500 companies earnings are up for 6 quarters in a row (USA Today, 7/12,2011). So where are the jobs?

The Demos may no longer be the party of working class people but the Republicans sure as heck aren’t. And they aren’t any more righteous than the Democrats. I voted Republican for the last 4 presidential elections because they sold themselves to me as the party of morality and frugality. I have learned my lesson.