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		<title>By: David Huie Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Huie Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 03:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REGARDING:
“if you’re innocent then you DON’T accept a plea deal.”

I posted previous note before this, didn’t mean to argue----but, you know me.

Anyhoo, there have been cases of people who are factually innocent pleading nolo contendere. They just don’t want to gamble with potential consequences. 

If you’re facing the death penalty and the facts seem lined up against you, 5 years with Big Bubba may sound preferable to Old Sparky, even though he’s retired. 

Some who have been freed by DNA evidence after twenty years pled nolo contendere or even guilty to a rape DNA shows they COULD NOT HAVE COMMITTED as charged. They may have stood by and figured that was just as bad, may have even been waiting their turn and missed their chance for whatever reason. (I suspect some may even be chimeras--single humans formed from two different fertilized cells--and their crime scene DNA doesn’t match their cheek swab DNA, but have never seen where such was proven.)

There was an interesting case in Pensacola several years back when the defendant said “Nolo contendere even though I’m innocent.” 

The judge explained to him nolo contendere was an admission of guilt and asked why he was pleading it if he was innocent. The man explained that “somebody” had told him it would be better to plead that for his first offence charge since he would get a lighter sentence if he didn‘t fight it. 

The judge asked him to identify the lawyer who so advised. He couldn’t. The judge looked at the listed evidence and the charges and threw the case out.

David considering reasons for false actions, 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REGARDING:<br />
“if you’re innocent then you DON’T accept a plea deal.”</p>
<p>I posted previous note before this, didn’t mean to argue&#8212;-but, you know me.</p>
<p>Anyhoo, there have been cases of people who are factually innocent pleading nolo contendere. They just don’t want to gamble with potential consequences. </p>
<p>If you’re facing the death penalty and the facts seem lined up against you, 5 years with Big Bubba may sound preferable to Old Sparky, even though he’s retired. </p>
<p>Some who have been freed by DNA evidence after twenty years pled nolo contendere or even guilty to a rape DNA shows they COULD NOT HAVE COMMITTED as charged. They may have stood by and figured that was just as bad, may have even been waiting their turn and missed their chance for whatever reason. (I suspect some may even be chimeras&#8211;single humans formed from two different fertilized cells&#8211;and their crime scene DNA doesn’t match their cheek swab DNA, but have never seen where such was proven.)</p>
<p>There was an interesting case in Pensacola several years back when the defendant said “Nolo contendere even though I’m innocent.” </p>
<p>The judge explained to him nolo contendere was an admission of guilt and asked why he was pleading it if he was innocent. The man explained that “somebody” had told him it would be better to plead that for his first offence charge since he would get a lighter sentence if he didn‘t fight it. </p>
<p>The judge asked him to identify the lawyer who so advised. He couldn’t. The judge looked at the listed evidence and the charges and threw the case out.</p>
<p>David considering reasons for false actions,<br />
not that they apply here</p>
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		<title>By: David Huie Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Huie Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 02:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“no·lo con·ten·de·re
 noun. 
A plea made by the defendant in a criminal action that is substantially but not technically an admission of guilt and subjects the defendant to punishment but permits denial of the alleged facts in other proceedings.”

For example, a victim could not use “nolo contendere” in a civil suit but could use “guilty” in one.

In fact, a judge can even throw out a plea of GUILTY for a number of reasons. Interesting world in which we live isn&#039;t it?

Point goes to Mary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“no·lo con·ten·de·re<br />
 noun.<br />
A plea made by the defendant in a criminal action that is substantially but not technically an admission of guilt and subjects the defendant to punishment but permits denial of the alleged facts in other proceedings.”</p>
<p>For example, a victim could not use “nolo contendere” in a civil suit but could use “guilty” in one.</p>
<p>In fact, a judge can even throw out a plea of GUILTY for a number of reasons. Interesting world in which we live isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Point goes to Mary</p>
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		<title>By: Bjay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 02:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mary- So your saying that you were guilty when you plead out to the charges and they withheld ajudication on you? My point is still the same and &quot;David&quot; pointed it out in much more detail than me but if your innocent then you DONT accept a plea deal. I have had my fair share of troubles as well but I plead out because I was guilty. This thug is GUILTY! PERIOD! He needs a more severe punishment and I hope it finds him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mary- So your saying that you were guilty when you plead out to the charges and they withheld ajudication on you? My point is still the same and &#8220;David&#8221; pointed it out in much more detail than me but if your innocent then you DONT accept a plea deal. I have had my fair share of troubles as well but I plead out because I was guilty. This thug is GUILTY! PERIOD! He needs a more severe punishment and I hope it finds him.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Bjay...No No No..only the judge can &quot;adjudicate&quot; some1 guilty..when I was younger(much) I wrote a bunch of bad checks...I pleaded no contest to all of that &amp; I pleaded no contest on DUIs....Yeah I was guilty but I could have wasted the tax payers $$$ &amp; plead &quot;not guilty&quot; &amp; gone to a &quot;Judge&quot; or &quot;Jury&quot; Trial....&amp; maybe got lucky &amp; found not guilty...I just wanted it all over with!!! AND..by the way..some of it ..I was &quot;adjudicated&quot; NOT GUILTY on some of the above mention &quot;crimes&quot;..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Bjay&#8230;No No No..only the judge can &#8220;adjudicate&#8221; some1 guilty..when I was younger(much) I wrote a bunch of bad checks&#8230;I pleaded no contest to all of that &amp; I pleaded no contest on DUIs&#8230;.Yeah I was guilty but I could have wasted the tax payers $$$ &amp; plead &#8220;not guilty&#8221; &amp; gone to a &#8220;Judge&#8221; or &#8220;Jury&#8221; Trial&#8230;.&amp; maybe got lucky &amp; found not guilty&#8230;I just wanted it all over with!!! AND..by the way..some of it ..I was &#8220;adjudicated&#8221; NOT GUILTY on some of the above mention &#8220;crimes&#8221;..</p>
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		<title>By: Mallory Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mallory Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shame is our sheriffs office failed to report this when it happened.  Their sro knew early  and the sheriff spoke to soon against the school board.  The sheriff owes the superintendent an apology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shame is our sheriffs office failed to report this when it happened.  Their sro knew early  and the sheriff spoke to soon against the school board.  The sheriff owes the superintendent an apology.</p>
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		<title>By: Bjay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 04:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ David- Thank you for pointing out what most of us understand but a few just cant seem to grasp it. For the slower people No contest = GUILTY!

@Tatemom- I assure you that out of all of the stupid things I did while a teenager, or even since then, I have NEVER  &quot;grabbed a girl by the neck and forced her head down into his bare crotch&quot;! I dont care if he was 12 he should be in jail! If it were your daughter you would agree. I totally get the &quot;kids will be kids&quot; thing in most cases but not in a &quot;felony sexual battery and indecent exposure&quot; case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ David- Thank you for pointing out what most of us understand but a few just cant seem to grasp it. For the slower people No contest = GUILTY!</p>
<p>@Tatemom- I assure you that out of all of the stupid things I did while a teenager, or even since then, I have NEVER  &#8220;grabbed a girl by the neck and forced her head down into his bare crotch&#8221;! I dont care if he was 12 he should be in jail! If it were your daughter you would agree. I totally get the &#8220;kids will be kids&#8221; thing in most cases but not in a &#8220;felony sexual battery and indecent exposure&#8221; case.</p>
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		<title>By: David Huie Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Huie Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 04:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REGARDING:
&quot;Entering a plea of “no contest,” simply means he is not contesting the matter, NOR pleading guilty.&quot;

The code for disposition of a case is:
DISPOSED BY PLEA (GUILTY/NOLO) CRIMINAL 

Legally, there is no difference between guilty and nolo. When you say you don&#039;t contest the charge, you are saying you do not disagree with it. It&#039;s like a double negative, if you don&#039;t disagree with it, that means you DO agree with it. 

But this isn&#039;t grammar, rather how it is looked upon by the courts. It’s usually used when presented with the evidence against the one charged and he can see it’s sufficient to convict so he agrees to the charge to avoid danger of the maximum penalty possible. The prosecution accepts a nolo in exchange for recommending lower punishment and not having the expense of court time. 

They also avoid the danger of a juror who says, &quot;I don&#039;t care if it&#039;s obvious he did it; I just won&#039;t vote to convict because the victim had it coming because she wasn‘t wearing a burqa. Besides women shouldn‘t be allowed in school with men.&quot; In such cases they can usually still get a conviction but have to retry the case.

David contemplating sharia law
and similar attitudes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REGARDING:<br />
&#8220;Entering a plea of “no contest,” simply means he is not contesting the matter, NOR pleading guilty.&#8221;</p>
<p>The code for disposition of a case is:<br />
DISPOSED BY PLEA (GUILTY/NOLO) CRIMINAL </p>
<p>Legally, there is no difference between guilty and nolo. When you say you don&#8217;t contest the charge, you are saying you do not disagree with it. It&#8217;s like a double negative, if you don&#8217;t disagree with it, that means you DO agree with it. </p>
<p>But this isn&#8217;t grammar, rather how it is looked upon by the courts. It’s usually used when presented with the evidence against the one charged and he can see it’s sufficient to convict so he agrees to the charge to avoid danger of the maximum penalty possible. The prosecution accepts a nolo in exchange for recommending lower punishment and not having the expense of court time. </p>
<p>They also avoid the danger of a juror who says, &#8220;I don&#8217;t care if it&#8217;s obvious he did it; I just won&#8217;t vote to convict because the victim had it coming because she wasn‘t wearing a burqa. Besides women shouldn‘t be allowed in school with men.&#8221; In such cases they can usually still get a conviction but have to retry the case.</p>
<p>David contemplating sharia law<br />
and similar attitudes</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 23:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt;Finally, why was this boy’s full name and photo published publicly? It is my understanding that it is against the law to reveal identitiies of juveniles without consent of their PARENTS, except in extenuating cases where they are charged as adults.

Because he was charged with a felony. The name, address and photo of any juvenile charge with a felony is public record in Florida. That&#039;s why the Sheriff&#039;s Office emailed the info and photo to all local media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>>>Finally, why was this boy’s full name and photo published publicly? It is my understanding that it is against the law to reveal identitiies of juveniles without consent of their PARENTS, except in extenuating cases where they are charged as adults.</p>
<p>Because he was charged with a felony. The name, address and photo of any juvenile charge with a felony is public record in Florida. That&#8217;s why the Sheriff&#8217;s Office emailed the info and photo to all local media.</p>
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		<title>By: Tate mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tate mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several points:

1.  Entering a plea of &quot;guilty,&quot; means just that.  Entering a plea of &quot;not guilty&quot; means the case would have to go through the process of an actual trial (by judge), dragging out for many months, and at significant expense to the taxpayers.  Entering a plea of &quot;no contest,&quot; simply means he is not contesting the matter, NOR pleaing guilty.

2.  Let us remember that this guy is S I X T E E N   Y E A R S - O L D.  SIXTEEN YEAR-OLD BRAINS do not work like adult brains.  They do not always make sound choices and decisions (both males and females), THAT IS WHY THEY ARE CONSIDERED MINORS!  They are not ready to fly solo in the real world on their own.  Their minds and decision-making skills are developing---and, yes, they make mistakes.  The idea is that hopefully they learn from those mistakes.

Get a grip, people.  Look back on your own teen years, and think about how many fantastic decisions you made before you actually grew up.

3.  Finally, why was this boy&#039;s full name and photo published publicly?  It is my understanding that it is against the law to reveal identitiies of juveniles without consent of their PARENTS, except in extenuating cases where they are charged as adults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several points:</p>
<p>1.  Entering a plea of &#8220;guilty,&#8221; means just that.  Entering a plea of &#8220;not guilty&#8221; means the case would have to go through the process of an actual trial (by judge), dragging out for many months, and at significant expense to the taxpayers.  Entering a plea of &#8220;no contest,&#8221; simply means he is not contesting the matter, NOR pleaing guilty.</p>
<p>2.  Let us remember that this guy is S I X T E E N   Y E A R S &#8211; O L D.  SIXTEEN YEAR-OLD BRAINS do not work like adult brains.  They do not always make sound choices and decisions (both males and females), THAT IS WHY THEY ARE CONSIDERED MINORS!  They are not ready to fly solo in the real world on their own.  Their minds and decision-making skills are developing&#8212;and, yes, they make mistakes.  The idea is that hopefully they learn from those mistakes.</p>
<p>Get a grip, people.  Look back on your own teen years, and think about how many fantastic decisions you made before you actually grew up.</p>
<p>3.  Finally, why was this boy&#8217;s full name and photo published publicly?  It is my understanding that it is against the law to reveal identitiies of juveniles without consent of their PARENTS, except in extenuating cases where they are charged as adults.</p>
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		<title>By: hawghead</title>
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		<dc:creator>hawghead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure we will hear from this guy again in the future. A slap on the wrist at age 16 will lead to a lenghty prison sentence by age 25. I just hope some innocent person does not suffer again at his hands. Judge and prosecutor get ready he&#039;ll be back in hands sometime in the not so distant future.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure we will hear from this guy again in the future. A slap on the wrist at age 16 will lead to a lenghty prison sentence by age 25. I just hope some innocent person does not suffer again at his hands. Judge and prosecutor get ready he&#8217;ll be back in hands sometime in the not so distant future&#8230;..</p>
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