Janet

Fine, you‘re convinced. I thought both of the parent cells were alive too, but we‘ll use your belief as fact. Further, I’ll use your definition for the discussion. That brings us back to the question of how to deal with identical twins, identical triplets, chimeras. Or not, but just remember they happen after the beginning point you cite.

AND
“I knew you were going to skirt the issue of the 93% who use abortion as a form of birth control by choosing to talk about the minority of why women have abortions rather than the vast majority of why women have abortions. By the way, what do you have to say about the 93% of women who use abortion as a form of birth control?”

I say, “BAD GIRL!” Happy now? I’ve never encouraged anyone to have an abortion.

AND
“I also find it interesting that you didn’t have anything to say about that miraculous little fertilized egg that contained everything it needs to make a human.”

I also didn’t talk about the weather, politics, crime and punishment. I’m a man of few words–or at least far fewer than pass through my head.

But if you wish—I find it impressive. I find it fascinating that every cell in the human body holds all the information needed to produce that person, or two of that person, or three of that person. In fact it will be very interesting when some mad scientist clones another person from a skin cell, effectively making a twin decades after the birth of the first. I wonder who all will deny its humanity due to the unnatural history. Should we kill it if it happens?

David discussing

The reason I wanted to show how the percentages break down on why women have abortions is to show the percentage of women who use abortion as a form of birth control. I have said that I love life, all life. And, I really mean that from the bottom of my heart.

You know, I knew you were going to skirt the issue of the 93% who use abortion as a form of birth control by choosing to talk about the minority of why women have abortions rather than the vast majority of why women have abortions. By the way, what do you have to say about the 93% of women who use abortion as a form of birth control? I also find it interesting that you didn’t have anything to say about that miraculous little fertilized egg that contained everything it needs to make a human. And, it all happened at the moment the sperm penetrated the egg. Remember, the 23 pairs of chromosomes and approximately 50,000 genes from each parent, which combine to determine all of one’s physical characteristics, including sex, facial features, body type, and color of hair, eyes, and skin. I asked myself, why didn’t David have anything to say about all the undeniable scientific proof that the little microscopic fertilized egg is nothing less than amazing? A miracle really.

Janet, lover of life (even yours David)

That’s A definition. It isn’t the only definition. That’s why I say use of that term leads to confusion. We could pick and choose, but what would it mean? It would mean we were picking those who agreed and rejecting those who disagreed with our preconceived notions.

For example:
conception
Reproduction biology The onset of pregnancy, marked by implantation of a blastocyst in the endometrium, and formation of a viable zygote
McGraw-Hill Concise Dictionary of Modern Medicine. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.
conception [kon-sep´shun]

1. the onset of pregnancy, marked by implantation of the blastocyst; the formation of a viable zygote.
2. concept.
Miller-Keane Encyclopedia and Dictionary of Medicine, Nursing, and Allied Health, Seventh Edition. © 2003 by Saunders, an imprint of Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved.

AND:
“when I say let’s protect the unborn I’m not speaking of the 1% of women who have abortions as a result of incest or rape. Nor am I talking about the 6% of women who have abortions due to potential health problems that could harm the mother or the child.”

So you believe abortions under those conditions are okay? If it’s ever murder, why isn’t it always murder? And how would you punish the murderer?

Further, what’s to stop the woman from lying and claiming her pregnancy was due to rape? After all, that was the lie the lady told in Roe versus Wade. Why should you murder a child because of the actions of her father?

So either way, if you decide who lives and dies, the blood of those who die is on your hands.

David for truth

Now, let your eyes drift down to your last paragraph in your first response. When I mentioned viability I was referring to your response of ‘working brain’, not the different ways in which a fertilized egg can divide. I saw your point in cell division perfectly clear.

Finally, when I say let’s protect the unborn I’m not speaking of the 1% of women who have abortions as a result of incest or rape. Nor am I talking about the 6% of women who have abortions due to potential health problems that could harm the mother or the child. So, David there is no blood on my hands. I have killed no one. I’m talking about the women who use abortion as a form of birth control. 93% of women who have abortions have them due to social reasons. (47% of the 93% have had a previous abortion) Ending a baby’s life for social reasons is heart breaking and should never happen. My heart goes out to the woman who has an unwanted pregnancy and feels she has no where to turn. We, in America, have so many agencies and options to help these women without endangering the child at all. I love life. All human life.

I can’t be correct because I never used the term “conception.” For some it means the union of sperm and egg but for others it means implantation of the fertilized egg. I’m trying to avoid confusion.

AND
“I believe what you are speaking of is viability. “

Again, no, I’m not talking about viability. I thought for sure I made it clear I was talking about how that single fertilized cell may become: a dead cell, a single person, two people, three different people, or half of a single person.

AND
“Suppose a person is brain dead. Does that make them less human? No, less viable. They are still human.”

See, there’s where I don’t think we can agree. If a person’s head could be cut off without killing the rest of the body, I wouldn’t consider that headless body a person anymore. If the severed head could be kept alive, I’d consider that head a person.

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“–just for argument sake, let’s say I’m wrong. Who have I hurt? No one.”

If you’re wrong and you force women to remain pregnant against their will, some of them will die in childbirth. Therefore, you will have killed them. In fact whether you’re right or wrong, you’ll have killed some. You’re figuring their deaths are justified to save the lives of the children they would have aborted. If you’re right, you’ll have saved many children; if you’re wrong, you’ll just have killed a few women.

“Let’s now say you are wrong. Who have you hurt?”

If I’m wrong, I’ll’ve stood back and allowed the killing of many children by their mothers.

Should I decide for them based on my opinion?

David wondering

The liberals want free and unfettered access to termination services while the right wingers seem to be more concerned with unborn children instead of children who are already here living in poverty and neglect. Where is the middle ground? I think it is leaving abortion legal, imposing sane restrictions on when it is appropriate to have access to an abortion, and making sure our population is educated about procreation. Those steps would lead to what many saw as the ultimate goal back in the 60s and 70s: Abortion that is legal, safe, and most importantly, RARE.