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		<title>By: linda elzea</title>
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		<dc:creator>linda elzea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think your wright but we need to d o something</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think your wright but we need to d o something</p>
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		<title>By: Just An Old Soldier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just An Old Soldier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 17:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV) and mephedrone - the substance in &quot;bath salts&quot; that is being abused by our children for a &quot;high&quot; (which is self induced psychosis)...

It is a serotonin and dopamine reuptake inhibitor if memory serves.

There is no clinical indication for it&#039;s use in treating any known disease, as it is an agent that is working against the neurochemistry of the brain.

Look it up for yourself.

Look at what the Emergency Room doctors have to say about it. Look at what Pharmacists and Psychiatrists have to say about it.

Observe also that the &quot;target audience&quot; for it is young people still in the process of neurodevelopment - generally mid-teens to mid-twenties. I would expect the literature in the next five to ten years to reflect the neurological damage done to users of this substance, and the profound impact it will have on their functioning brains.

Freedom is not License - don&#039;t confuse the two. 

Licenteousness calls for all things to be made available to all people regardless of the human toll. It lacks the Moral Code that looks out for the best interest of the person and the society. It&#039;s the devil&#039;s snare and a sure path to Gehenna.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV) and mephedrone &#8211; the substance in &#8220;bath salts&#8221; that is being abused by our children for a &#8220;high&#8221; (which is self induced psychosis)&#8230;</p>
<p>It is a serotonin and dopamine reuptake inhibitor if memory serves.</p>
<p>There is no clinical indication for it&#8217;s use in treating any known disease, as it is an agent that is working against the neurochemistry of the brain.</p>
<p>Look it up for yourself.</p>
<p>Look at what the Emergency Room doctors have to say about it. Look at what Pharmacists and Psychiatrists have to say about it.</p>
<p>Observe also that the &#8220;target audience&#8221; for it is young people still in the process of neurodevelopment &#8211; generally mid-teens to mid-twenties. I would expect the literature in the next five to ten years to reflect the neurological damage done to users of this substance, and the profound impact it will have on their functioning brains.</p>
<p>Freedom is not License &#8211; don&#8217;t confuse the two. </p>
<p>Licenteousness calls for all things to be made available to all people regardless of the human toll. It lacks the Moral Code that looks out for the best interest of the person and the society. It&#8217;s the devil&#8217;s snare and a sure path to Gehenna.</p>
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		<title>By: sad</title>
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		<dc:creator>sad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not bath salt spice is not air freshiner. Its a market strategy. The kids using it didn&#039;t decide to try mom&#039;s calgon because they are so strung out on meth they need an alternative. They are being led into a false security that its safe it can&#039;t be crack because its sold in the store.  But now there will be people trying to make it and sell it, another dangerous chemical combination. Get the bath salts and spice out of the stores or you have teenagers dying or addicted and wondering why we let it happen.  Why was it ok for them to buy it if it would hurt them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not bath salt spice is not air freshiner. Its a market strategy. The kids using it didn&#8217;t decide to try mom&#8217;s calgon because they are so strung out on meth they need an alternative. They are being led into a false security that its safe it can&#8217;t be crack because its sold in the store.  But now there will be people trying to make it and sell it, another dangerous chemical combination. Get the bath salts and spice out of the stores or you have teenagers dying or addicted and wondering why we let it happen.  Why was it ok for them to buy it if it would hurt them.</p>
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		<title>By: David Huie Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Huie Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REGARDING:
&quot;But in THIS CASE, this substance has no value other than to destroy the abuser of it.&quot;

I&#039;m not sure exactly what a bath salt is, but perhaps it would have value as one. Doubt it was being used as such, but .....

AND
&quot;Simply put, this substance should be outlawed, and those participating in it as well.&quot;

Because those stupid enough to take it will likely die soon, right? It&#039;s regrettable, but you really can&#039;t make suicide illegal. So you’re just telling folks how not to do it. 

Outside of that, the justification of making such things illegal is to protect children and the public in general from the harm dopers might do. Laws should be written toward that result, not just because we don&#039;t like how people kill themselves. Or so it seems to me.

AND
&quot;Frankly, I suspect that there is an ulterior motive in the people railing against this issue of making a dangerous chemical illegal. It smacks of self justification &quot;

Could be in some cases, especially in those cases where folks propose following up by outlawing the caffeine in my sweet tea. Could also be some doubt the pressing need and can see how previous efforts at outlawing substances simply provided funding for sorry crooks and  for gangs and high prices giving the incentive to commit other crimes to finance what would otherwise be cheap.

David for eliminating the profit motive for crimes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REGARDING:<br />
&#8220;But in THIS CASE, this substance has no value other than to destroy the abuser of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure exactly what a bath salt is, but perhaps it would have value as one. Doubt it was being used as such, but &#8230;..</p>
<p>AND<br />
&#8220;Simply put, this substance should be outlawed, and those participating in it as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>Because those stupid enough to take it will likely die soon, right? It&#8217;s regrettable, but you really can&#8217;t make suicide illegal. So you’re just telling folks how not to do it. </p>
<p>Outside of that, the justification of making such things illegal is to protect children and the public in general from the harm dopers might do. Laws should be written toward that result, not just because we don&#8217;t like how people kill themselves. Or so it seems to me.</p>
<p>AND<br />
&#8220;Frankly, I suspect that there is an ulterior motive in the people railing against this issue of making a dangerous chemical illegal. It smacks of self justification &#8221;</p>
<p>Could be in some cases, especially in those cases where folks propose following up by outlawing the caffeine in my sweet tea. Could also be some doubt the pressing need and can see how previous efforts at outlawing substances simply provided funding for sorry crooks and  for gangs and high prices giving the incentive to commit other crimes to finance what would otherwise be cheap.</p>
<p>David for eliminating the profit motive for crimes</p>
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		<title>By: Just An Old Soldier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just An Old Soldier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@So...

I think you miss the point - there are currently laws that regulate use and consumption of alcohol and tobacco. There should also be a law against tTHIS abused substance.

@Mike

So many questions! Why don&#039;t you exercise your mind and come up with some facts to support your fallacious argument? Which, by the way, I don&#039;t buy into for a second. Your position of legalize everything or legalize nothing is contrary to good common sense and a well ordered mind. 

Laws are in place, and put there by people like you and I. People follow the laws, or they don&#039;t, based on their upbringing, education, and moral code (let us pray that all of these are done right). People are not perfect, and sometimes they make mistakes. But the general public, given the facts, can usually get it right when it comes to making laws regarding public safety.

You may be outraged by what you perceive to be inadequate or erroneous enforcement. There are faults in human instituions of all sorts to be sure - there&#039;s no immunity for human error. But in THIS CASE, this substance has no value other than to destroy the abuser of it.

Simply put, this substance should be outlawed, and those participating in it as well.

Frankly, I suspect that there is an ulterior motive in the people railing against this issue of making a dangerous chemical illegal. It smacks of self justification for abuse of whatever flavor of sin the railer prefers. But it doesn&#039;t make it any less wrongheaded, and misguided to find offense and posture with high outrage about an issue as simple as this one is.

This substance should be illegal. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@So&#8230;</p>
<p>I think you miss the point &#8211; there are currently laws that regulate use and consumption of alcohol and tobacco. There should also be a law against tTHIS abused substance.</p>
<p>@Mike</p>
<p>So many questions! Why don&#8217;t you exercise your mind and come up with some facts to support your fallacious argument? Which, by the way, I don&#8217;t buy into for a second. Your position of legalize everything or legalize nothing is contrary to good common sense and a well ordered mind. </p>
<p>Laws are in place, and put there by people like you and I. People follow the laws, or they don&#8217;t, based on their upbringing, education, and moral code (let us pray that all of these are done right). People are not perfect, and sometimes they make mistakes. But the general public, given the facts, can usually get it right when it comes to making laws regarding public safety.</p>
<p>You may be outraged by what you perceive to be inadequate or erroneous enforcement. There are faults in human instituions of all sorts to be sure &#8211; there&#8217;s no immunity for human error. But in THIS CASE, this substance has no value other than to destroy the abuser of it.</p>
<p>Simply put, this substance should be outlawed, and those participating in it as well.</p>
<p>Frankly, I suspect that there is an ulterior motive in the people railing against this issue of making a dangerous chemical illegal. It smacks of self justification for abuse of whatever flavor of sin the railer prefers. But it doesn&#8217;t make it any less wrongheaded, and misguided to find offense and posture with high outrage about an issue as simple as this one is.</p>
<p>This substance should be illegal. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: So..</title>
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		<dc:creator>So..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 03:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old Soldier

&quot;The issue is that this substance is now known to the public as a substance that can be ingested for the purpose of intoxication. And it is very dangerous. This must be kept out of the hands of our children. And laws to prohibit sale, possession, and distribution are entirely in line with a concern for Public Safety.&quot;

Same thing can go for alchohol buddy, along with so many other things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Soldier</p>
<p>&#8220;The issue is that this substance is now known to the public as a substance that can be ingested for the purpose of intoxication. And it is very dangerous. This must be kept out of the hands of our children. And laws to prohibit sale, possession, and distribution are entirely in line with a concern for Public Safety.&#8221;</p>
<p>Same thing can go for alchohol buddy, along with so many other things.</p>
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		<title>By: Magnolia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magnolia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 03:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pharmaceutical drugs are way more dangerous than &quot;bath salts&quot; and most other street drugs....except they&#039;re legal because they&#039;re sold by large multinational corporations who control the United States of Fascism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pharmaceutical drugs are way more dangerous than &#8220;bath salts&#8221; and most other street drugs&#8230;.except they&#8217;re legal because they&#8217;re sold by large multinational corporations who control the United States of Fascism.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 02:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old Soldier

You wanna talk about &quot;public safety&quot;???

How many people every day are robbed, assaulted, and even killed simply because of the fact that drugs are illegal, and as a result of their prohibition, are sold on the black market?

Someone doing drugs does not affect my &quot;safety&quot;. Doing drugs is a personal choice. I choose not to partake. But who am I to tell somebody else what they can or cannot put into their body?

However, cops with guns drawn, barging into my house looking for drugs when they got the wrong house. That affects my safety.

Drug dealers letting bullets fly in the streets also affects my safety.

The &quot;War on Drugs&quot; has caused more death and destruction than drugs themselves ever could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Soldier</p>
<p>You wanna talk about &#8220;public safety&#8221;???</p>
<p>How many people every day are robbed, assaulted, and even killed simply because of the fact that drugs are illegal, and as a result of their prohibition, are sold on the black market?</p>
<p>Someone doing drugs does not affect my &#8220;safety&#8221;. Doing drugs is a personal choice. I choose not to partake. But who am I to tell somebody else what they can or cannot put into their body?</p>
<p>However, cops with guns drawn, barging into my house looking for drugs when they got the wrong house. That affects my safety.</p>
<p>Drug dealers letting bullets fly in the streets also affects my safety.</p>
<p>The &#8220;War on Drugs&#8221; has caused more death and destruction than drugs themselves ever could.</p>
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		<title>By: Just An Old Soldier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just An Old Soldier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 21:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@So...

&quot;In Florida, the percentage of alcohol related fatalities peaked in 1983, while the actual number of alcohol related deaths peaked in 1986. In 2008, out of all traffic fatalities, 29% involved a blood alcohol concentration (BAC) of 0.08 or higher, with 875 fatalities.&quot; Source &quot;Alcohol Alert&quot; dot com. 

In 1983 the death toll was 1,397.  I think that shows a lot of improvement, though one death due to drunk driving is one too many. But that&#039;s not the issue here.

For most reasonable citizens, when a clear and present danger is identified in the community there is a call to elected representatives to enact laws for public safety.

Laws have been enacted for both alcohol and tobacco consumption. It is illegal for MINORS to possess and consume these products - those that are scofflaws break that law - there are penalties in place for adults who sell these products to CHILDREN. Again - not the issue here.

Don&#039;t mix your apples with your oranges - this drug, sold under the thin disguise of being some OTHER product in order to EVADE the rule of Law, have no medical value at all. 

The issue is that this substance is now known to the public as a substance that can be ingested for the purpose of intoxication. And it is very dangerous. This must be kept out of the hands of our children. And laws to prohibit sale, possession, and distribution are entirely in line with a concern for Public Safety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@So&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;In Florida, the percentage of alcohol related fatalities peaked in 1983, while the actual number of alcohol related deaths peaked in 1986. In 2008, out of all traffic fatalities, 29% involved a blood alcohol concentration (BAC) of 0.08 or higher, with 875 fatalities.&#8221; Source &#8220;Alcohol Alert&#8221; dot com. </p>
<p>In 1983 the death toll was 1,397.  I think that shows a lot of improvement, though one death due to drunk driving is one too many. But that&#8217;s not the issue here.</p>
<p>For most reasonable citizens, when a clear and present danger is identified in the community there is a call to elected representatives to enact laws for public safety.</p>
<p>Laws have been enacted for both alcohol and tobacco consumption. It is illegal for MINORS to possess and consume these products &#8211; those that are scofflaws break that law &#8211; there are penalties in place for adults who sell these products to CHILDREN. Again &#8211; not the issue here.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t mix your apples with your oranges &#8211; this drug, sold under the thin disguise of being some OTHER product in order to EVADE the rule of Law, have no medical value at all. </p>
<p>The issue is that this substance is now known to the public as a substance that can be ingested for the purpose of intoxication. And it is very dangerous. This must be kept out of the hands of our children. And laws to prohibit sale, possession, and distribution are entirely in line with a concern for Public Safety.</p>
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		<title>By: So..</title>
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		<dc:creator>So..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 05:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it hilarious that they&#039;ve banned something like bath salts, but still allow people to purchase cigarettes and alchohol. 

&quot;They have Spring Break coming up in the Panhandle,” she said. “There are a lot of balconies out there.”&quot;

You&#039;re worried about some idiot thinking they can fly and jumping off a balcony to hurt no one but themself when you&#039;ve got all of these people drinking and driving and killing numerous people. If you&#039;re going to ban something like bath salts, why not ban the number one killers like alchohol and cigarettes. Think a little Florida.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it hilarious that they&#8217;ve banned something like bath salts, but still allow people to purchase cigarettes and alchohol. </p>
<p>&#8220;They have Spring Break coming up in the Panhandle,” she said. “There are a lot of balconies out there.”&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re worried about some idiot thinking they can fly and jumping off a balcony to hurt no one but themself when you&#8217;ve got all of these people drinking and driving and killing numerous people. If you&#8217;re going to ban something like bath salts, why not ban the number one killers like alchohol and cigarettes. Think a little Florida.</p>
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