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	<title>Comments on: Strict Pursuit Policy In Effect In Escambia County</title>
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		<title>By: David Huie Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Huie Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 20:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REGARDING:
&quot;What he did was bluff and bluster and yell at me and carry on about
how he was doing me a favor by not writing me a ticket for 30 minutes,
and the whole time he had his hand on his gun.&quot;

PROPER RESPONSE:
&quot;Officer, if you believe you need to arrest me, please do so now. Do not waste your valuable time yelling at me and trying to scare me. We will let the jury sort it all out.&quot;

That said, many times law enforcement officers hope to correct bad behavior by putting the fear of the long arm of the law into you. If it works, fine. If it fails, it was a waste of breath. And then there&#039;re those rare occasions when they have had a bad day and are taking it out on you.

I had an officer release the students on my bus following a minor riot. He was chewing me out for not having them under control. When he paused for breath from castigating me I asked, &quot;So you are accepting responsibility for all the children you just let off the bus?&quot;

You could see the look of horror come over his face as he realized what he had just done and that if any of them were hurt it was all on him. He rounded up maybe half and convinced the parents to put their guns away. I felt pity for him. It&#039;s a hard job he had.

David with the better job</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REGARDING:<br />
&#8220;What he did was bluff and bluster and yell at me and carry on about<br />
how he was doing me a favor by not writing me a ticket for 30 minutes,<br />
and the whole time he had his hand on his gun.&#8221;</p>
<p>PROPER RESPONSE:<br />
&#8220;Officer, if you believe you need to arrest me, please do so now. Do not waste your valuable time yelling at me and trying to scare me. We will let the jury sort it all out.&#8221;</p>
<p>That said, many times law enforcement officers hope to correct bad behavior by putting the fear of the long arm of the law into you. If it works, fine. If it fails, it was a waste of breath. And then there&#8217;re those rare occasions when they have had a bad day and are taking it out on you.</p>
<p>I had an officer release the students on my bus following a minor riot. He was chewing me out for not having them under control. When he paused for breath from castigating me I asked, &#8220;So you are accepting responsibility for all the children you just let off the bus?&#8221;</p>
<p>You could see the look of horror come over his face as he realized what he had just done and that if any of them were hurt it was all on him. He rounded up maybe half and convinced the parents to put their guns away. I felt pity for him. It&#8217;s a hard job he had.</p>
<p>David with the better job</p>
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		<title>By: localpearl</title>
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		<dc:creator>localpearl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 20:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this Brewton chase was for a domestic violence case, I assume the police knew who he was.  The chase too me, should not have taken place and put anyone in jeopardy. I think they could have found him without a chase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this Brewton chase was for a domestic violence case, I assume the police knew who he was.  The chase too me, should not have taken place and put anyone in jeopardy. I think they could have found him without a chase.</p>
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		<title>By: food for thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>food for thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 12:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Realistic one
In many cases I agree with you but then again think how many times
an 85 year old man has gone berserk.

An officer never knows what he is walking up onto,  they are not
clairvoyant.

I also as you say have had a young officer who  stopped me and
said I cut him off when he pulled out of a gas station.
Well if you come out into traffic from a gas station it&#039;s your responsibility
to wait till it&#039;s clear.  i didn&#039;t tell this punk this but thats exactly what I
was thinking.
What he did was bluff and bluster and yell at me and carry on about
how he was doing me a favor by not writing me a ticket for 30 minutes,
and the whole time he had his hand on his gun.  Intimidation I guess.
He was such a hot shot with his badge and gun.   About a year later
he pulled my daughter over and read her the riot act for 15 minutes
and said when she pulled into a parking lot, because he was behind
her she was evading him.   She was pulling into a denny&#039;s to have
breakfast with me for crying out loud.  Of course he did her a favor
and didn&#039;t give her a ticket either.

There are good and bad people everywhere who do  all kinds of
jobs.

Lets do be careful that we don&#039;t hinder our officers so they can&#039;t
effectively do their jobs like we did when we agreed not to use
nukes.

We let someone tie our hands of our power and now all we do
is lose wars.  We are fast losing our battle with drugs, gangs and
criminals.  Sometimes there will be casulties.  Sometimes there
will be over zealous boys with guns who will shoot someone fleeing
from them in the back of the head,  but do we really want to tie their
hands?  How many lives have they saved?  How many times have
 victims been grateful because some wonderful young officer saved
their life or more important the lives of their children?

No system is perfect you just hope in most cases it is the best
that can be done.

One thing I don&#039;t understand is with the threat that officers feel when
they don&#039;t know what they are walking up onto, why in the world
are they not ticketing people who have black windows.

They scare  everyone on the road.  We don&#039;t even know
who we are sitting beside at a stop light.  The only reason you need
windows that dark is because you drink going down the road or worse.
Windows don&#039;t need to be that dark to protect your seat covers.

If you violated the law while in your car like a drive by shooting or
even running a red light, no one could prove who was driving the
vehicle.   This I don&#039;t understand and I see no good reason why
they don&#039;t chase these people down and give them a ticket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Realistic one<br />
In many cases I agree with you but then again think how many times<br />
an 85 year old man has gone berserk.</p>
<p>An officer never knows what he is walking up onto,  they are not<br />
clairvoyant.</p>
<p>I also as you say have had a young officer who  stopped me and<br />
said I cut him off when he pulled out of a gas station.<br />
Well if you come out into traffic from a gas station it&#8217;s your responsibility<br />
to wait till it&#8217;s clear.  i didn&#8217;t tell this punk this but thats exactly what I<br />
was thinking.<br />
What he did was bluff and bluster and yell at me and carry on about<br />
how he was doing me a favor by not writing me a ticket for 30 minutes,<br />
and the whole time he had his hand on his gun.  Intimidation I guess.<br />
He was such a hot shot with his badge and gun.   About a year later<br />
he pulled my daughter over and read her the riot act for 15 minutes<br />
and said when she pulled into a parking lot, because he was behind<br />
her she was evading him.   She was pulling into a denny&#8217;s to have<br />
breakfast with me for crying out loud.  Of course he did her a favor<br />
and didn&#8217;t give her a ticket either.</p>
<p>There are good and bad people everywhere who do  all kinds of<br />
jobs.</p>
<p>Lets do be careful that we don&#8217;t hinder our officers so they can&#8217;t<br />
effectively do their jobs like we did when we agreed not to use<br />
nukes.</p>
<p>We let someone tie our hands of our power and now all we do<br />
is lose wars.  We are fast losing our battle with drugs, gangs and<br />
criminals.  Sometimes there will be casulties.  Sometimes there<br />
will be over zealous boys with guns who will shoot someone fleeing<br />
from them in the back of the head,  but do we really want to tie their<br />
hands?  How many lives have they saved?  How many times have<br />
 victims been grateful because some wonderful young officer saved<br />
their life or more important the lives of their children?</p>
<p>No system is perfect you just hope in most cases it is the best<br />
that can be done.</p>
<p>One thing I don&#8217;t understand is with the threat that officers feel when<br />
they don&#8217;t know what they are walking up onto, why in the world<br />
are they not ticketing people who have black windows.</p>
<p>They scare  everyone on the road.  We don&#8217;t even know<br />
who we are sitting beside at a stop light.  The only reason you need<br />
windows that dark is because you drink going down the road or worse.<br />
Windows don&#8217;t need to be that dark to protect your seat covers.</p>
<p>If you violated the law while in your car like a drive by shooting or<br />
even running a red light, no one could prove who was driving the<br />
vehicle.   This I don&#8217;t understand and I see no good reason why<br />
they don&#8217;t chase these people down and give them a ticket.</p>
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		<title>By: the realistic one</title>
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		<dc:creator>the realistic one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 03:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personaly I think Some police ,go overboard in alot of situations ,where the use of there firearms or taser or just brute force is unnesasary ,when an officer walks up to the window of a 85 year old man do they realy need their hand on their gun ,,,,Alot of these officer taking there job the wrong way instead of looking for trouble there causing more ,there way to eiger to use there training no matter who its on ,I understand they have dangerous jobs and deal with the worst people sometimes ,but they need to understand everyone is not a crack head or a rapist ,an everyone is not against them ,the amount of force they use is uncalled for most of the time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personaly I think Some police ,go overboard in alot of situations ,where the use of there firearms or taser or just brute force is unnesasary ,when an officer walks up to the window of a 85 year old man do they realy need their hand on their gun ,,,,Alot of these officer taking there job the wrong way instead of looking for trouble there causing more ,there way to eiger to use there training no matter who its on ,I understand they have dangerous jobs and deal with the worst people sometimes ,but they need to understand everyone is not a crack head or a rapist ,an everyone is not against them ,the amount of force they use is uncalled for most of the time</p>
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		<title>By: plain and simple</title>
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		<dc:creator>plain and simple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 18:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concerned citizen... why dont you go out and commit a crime and see just how long you can &quot;rule the land&quot;, you people on here never cease to amaze me. Every good respectable departments have written sog&#039;s or sop&#039;s. The principle behind it is to curtail young officers from doing things that puts the department in jeopardy. 
And if im correct all of these sop&#039;s or sog&#039;s are public record.. if not Mr William could not have gotten this information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerned citizen&#8230; why dont you go out and commit a crime and see just how long you can &#8220;rule the land&#8221;, you people on here never cease to amaze me. Every good respectable departments have written sog&#8217;s or sop&#8217;s. The principle behind it is to curtail young officers from doing things that puts the department in jeopardy.<br />
And if im correct all of these sop&#8217;s or sog&#8217;s are public record.. if not Mr William could not have gotten this information.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Coburn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie Coburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 18:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Answer for huh: The chase was with the Brewton, Alabama Police Department -
Commander Haines works for and was expressing the policy on chases for the Escambia County Sheriff&#039;s Office in Escambia County Florida.  Different agencies, different policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Answer for huh: The chase was with the Brewton, Alabama Police Department -<br />
Commander Haines works for and was expressing the policy on chases for the Escambia County Sheriff&#8217;s Office in Escambia County Florida.  Different agencies, different policies.</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Concerned citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guess we can just sit back , let the criminals rule the land. Some times there is a reason to give chase ... Sometimes not . We can&#039;t just let the criminals have rule . Law enforcements hands are tied so tight now. Pretty soon when you call for help , the response you will get will be , I&#039;m sorry mam , sir , but there is nothing we can do . If we go after them , touch them , track them , let our dog pull them to the ground , arrest them or just simply give them a warning , I could loose my job and yet worse be sued. Then  my family will suffer we could lose our homes ..   our job no longer lets us enforce the law. And so  on and so on. You really cannot say that all chases  always ends badly . Not so , plenty have been caught with no harm to anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guess we can just sit back , let the criminals rule the land. Some times there is a reason to give chase &#8230; Sometimes not . We can&#8217;t just let the criminals have rule . Law enforcements hands are tied so tight now. Pretty soon when you call for help , the response you will get will be , I&#8217;m sorry mam , sir , but there is nothing we can do . If we go after them , touch them , track them , let our dog pull them to the ground , arrest them or just simply give them a warning , I could loose my job and yet worse be sued. Then  my family will suffer we could lose our homes ..   our job no longer lets us enforce the law. And so  on and so on. You really cannot say that all chases  always ends badly . Not so , plenty have been caught with no harm to anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: plain and simple</title>
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		<dc:creator>plain and simple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you really think the law will just let someone get away with commiting a crime? This article does not insinuate such as you say. They will pay for the crime they commited, but it may not be worth a high speed chase at 8 pm in the evening when you could just pick them up on arrest warrants later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you really think the law will just let someone get away with commiting a crime? This article does not insinuate such as you say. They will pay for the crime they commited, but it may not be worth a high speed chase at 8 pm in the evening when you could just pick them up on arrest warrants later.</p>
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		<title>By: huh</title>
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		<dc:creator>huh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Simply failing to stop for a deputy is not a pursuit, according to Haines. In the event a driver fails to stop but does not pose a danger to the public, deputies are allowed to continue to attempt a traffic stop until the person takes a dangerous evasive action.&quot;

I would say the chase in brewton from the police station through town , is considered dangerous and evasive action 

So if the policy is to not chase someone due to those circumstances, why did they do it? 

That could have been your family driving on those roads.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endangerment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Simply failing to stop for a deputy is not a pursuit, according to Haines. In the event a driver fails to stop but does not pose a danger to the public, deputies are allowed to continue to attempt a traffic stop until the person takes a dangerous evasive action.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would say the chase in brewton from the police station through town , is considered dangerous and evasive action </p>
<p>So if the policy is to not chase someone due to those circumstances, why did they do it? </p>
<p>That could have been your family driving on those roads.  </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endangerment" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endangerment</a></p>
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		<title>By: aubrey king</title>
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		<dc:creator>aubrey king</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the Brewton case the cop knew who the man was.Why not just arrest him later instead of risking lives by chaseing him.sad people lost their lives when,in,my opinion the chase was unneccessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Brewton case the cop knew who the man was.Why not just arrest him later instead of risking lives by chaseing him.sad people lost their lives when,in,my opinion the chase was unneccessary.</p>
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