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	<title>Comments on: Company Grading FCAT Gets Failing Grade; State Wants Cash</title>
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		<title>By: David Huie Green</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2010/06/company-grading-fcat-gets-failing-grade-state-wants-cash/comment-page-1#comment-46392</link>
		<dc:creator>David Huie Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 04:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at times?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at times?</p>
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		<title>By: Tammie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tammie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 00:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry.  I was just messing with you. You are very smart... just a little lengthy at times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry.  I was just messing with you. You are very smart&#8230; just a little lengthy at times.</p>
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		<title>By: David Huie Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Huie Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 06:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but tell me what part&#039;s too complicated for you and I&#039;ll try to explain it more simply

David trying to be helpful</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but tell me what part&#8217;s too complicated for you and I&#8217;ll try to explain it more simply</p>
<p>David trying to be helpful</p>
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		<title>By: David Huie Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Huie Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 05:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palin&#039;s too deep for you????

sad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin&#8217;s too deep for you????</p>
<p>sad</p>
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		<title>By: Tammie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tammie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 22:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DHG- Do you write Sarah Palin&#039;s speeches?  She goes on and on and on and in the end.....  we&#039;re like...  WHAT!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DHG- Do you write Sarah Palin&#8217;s speeches?  She goes on and on and on and in the end&#8230;..  we&#8217;re like&#8230;  WHAT!?</p>
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		<title>By: David Huie Green</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2010/06/company-grading-fcat-gets-failing-grade-state-wants-cash/comment-page-1#comment-46269</link>
		<dc:creator>David Huie Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REGARDING:
&quot; . . . how can we get ride of the fcat ? If Teachers don’t care for it and parents don’t care for it and i know its not good for our children then what do we do about it ? &quot;

Or should we?

Just because something isn&#039;t popular with everybody doesn&#039;t mean it isn&#039;t useful. 

Some don&#039;t like the FCAT because it makes it look like their children aren&#039;t learning what they should. If they really aren&#039;t learning, they should know about it. If they are, the test should show it.

Some don&#039;t like it because it makes it look like they aren&#039;t teaching what they should. If they really aren&#039;t teaching in a way the students will learn, they should know about it. If they are, the test should show it.

Some don&#039;t like it because it makes their school look bad. They are more interested in how their school looks than how its students are growing. Jesus spoke of whited sepulchers full of dead men&#039;s bones. 

In other words, looking good isn&#039;t as important as being good.

Some don&#039;t like it because they think they can and should teach to it. A proper test can only be taught to if it covers everything they are supposed to learn anyway.

Is it a proper test? Now, that&#039;s an important question. If the answer&#039;s NO, then the question is, &quot;Should it be thrown out or simply made right?&quot;

This leads us back to the question of why we ever came up with the idea in the first place. 

The answer is that two different students from two different schools but identical academic records could apply for college or for a job and one not know half what the other did. 

Somebody was inflating grades, claiming to have taught what they had not taught or at least that the student had learned what he had not learned. What&#039;s more, the lower grade student from one school might still know twice what the higher grade student from the other school knew but not get the job or entrance into his favored college because of the school grades.

It wasn&#039;t fair to the students who were missing out. It was costing them opportunities they deserved. Just think, if you could do well but didn’t get the chance because somebody else looked better who wasn’t--unfair. If you couldn’t do well but looked like you could, you will be discouraged when you fail or are fired rather than going into what you actually COULD do. Unfair both ways.

It wasn&#039;t fair to the taxpayers who were paying to educate children, not entertain them. They were being robbed of their money and their children being underserved. That’s us, folks. We’re all taxpayers. We don’t mind paying for value, but we dislike being ripped off.

It wasn&#039;t fair to the teachers who were being pressured to give grades the students didn&#039;t deserve, just to make the school look better. Sometimes the best ones were pushed aside for failure to go-along-to-get-along.

Number One Wife says there are good tests out there which do a much better job of evaluating students, but Florida had its heart set on coming up with our own special test which these folks don’t seem able to handle.

Maybe we should call them the FCAT/Stanford 9 or the FCAT/ACT and then just use them as they already are.

David for fixing what’s broke
Not fixing what ain’t broke
Knowing the difference</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REGARDING:<br />
&#8221; . . . how can we get ride of the fcat ? If Teachers don’t care for it and parents don’t care for it and i know its not good for our children then what do we do about it ? &#8221;</p>
<p>Or should we?</p>
<p>Just because something isn&#8217;t popular with everybody doesn&#8217;t mean it isn&#8217;t useful. </p>
<p>Some don&#8217;t like the FCAT because it makes it look like their children aren&#8217;t learning what they should. If they really aren&#8217;t learning, they should know about it. If they are, the test should show it.</p>
<p>Some don&#8217;t like it because it makes it look like they aren&#8217;t teaching what they should. If they really aren&#8217;t teaching in a way the students will learn, they should know about it. If they are, the test should show it.</p>
<p>Some don&#8217;t like it because it makes their school look bad. They are more interested in how their school looks than how its students are growing. Jesus spoke of whited sepulchers full of dead men&#8217;s bones. </p>
<p>In other words, looking good isn&#8217;t as important as being good.</p>
<p>Some don&#8217;t like it because they think they can and should teach to it. A proper test can only be taught to if it covers everything they are supposed to learn anyway.</p>
<p>Is it a proper test? Now, that&#8217;s an important question. If the answer&#8217;s NO, then the question is, &#8220;Should it be thrown out or simply made right?&#8221;</p>
<p>This leads us back to the question of why we ever came up with the idea in the first place. </p>
<p>The answer is that two different students from two different schools but identical academic records could apply for college or for a job and one not know half what the other did. </p>
<p>Somebody was inflating grades, claiming to have taught what they had not taught or at least that the student had learned what he had not learned. What&#8217;s more, the lower grade student from one school might still know twice what the higher grade student from the other school knew but not get the job or entrance into his favored college because of the school grades.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t fair to the students who were missing out. It was costing them opportunities they deserved. Just think, if you could do well but didn’t get the chance because somebody else looked better who wasn’t&#8211;unfair. If you couldn’t do well but looked like you could, you will be discouraged when you fail or are fired rather than going into what you actually COULD do. Unfair both ways.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t fair to the taxpayers who were paying to educate children, not entertain them. They were being robbed of their money and their children being underserved. That’s us, folks. We’re all taxpayers. We don’t mind paying for value, but we dislike being ripped off.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t fair to the teachers who were being pressured to give grades the students didn&#8217;t deserve, just to make the school look better. Sometimes the best ones were pushed aside for failure to go-along-to-get-along.</p>
<p>Number One Wife says there are good tests out there which do a much better job of evaluating students, but Florida had its heart set on coming up with our own special test which these folks don’t seem able to handle.</p>
<p>Maybe we should call them the FCAT/Stanford 9 or the FCAT/ACT and then just use them as they already are.</p>
<p>David for fixing what’s broke<br />
Not fixing what ain’t broke<br />
Knowing the difference</p>
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		<title>By: Tammie</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2010/06/company-grading-fcat-gets-failing-grade-state-wants-cash/comment-page-1#comment-46246</link>
		<dc:creator>Tammie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 11:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about a boycott?  An organized skip day on test day!!  Not everyone would do it.....  but alot of people will.  Then what would they do?  Make up test day?........  Skip day!       It wouldn&#039;t hurt to miss a few days of school.....  and it would send a message to law-makers!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about a boycott?  An organized skip day on test day!!  Not everyone would do it&#8230;..  but alot of people will.  Then what would they do?  Make up test day?&#8230;&#8230;..  Skip day!       It wouldn&#8217;t hurt to miss a few days of school&#8230;..  and it would send a message to law-makers!!!</p>
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		<title>By: sick of this fcat</title>
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		<dc:creator>sick of this fcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 03:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so what can we do to change things how can we get ride of the fcat ? If Teachers dont care for it and parents dont care for it and i know its not good for our children then what do we do about it ??????? i really want to know</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so what can we do to change things how can we get ride of the fcat ? If Teachers dont care for it and parents dont care for it and i know its not good for our children then what do we do about it ??????? i really want to know</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie Exner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonnie Exner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 03:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a retired teacher,  I will continue to speak out against the FCAT.  It is the main reason for my retirement.  I said to my colleagues that the day I teach to one test is the day that education starts going down a slippery slope.  The only ones to benefit from the FCAT are those test-makers and graders whoi get paid a pretty penny cfor doing so.  FCAT has driven the curriculum in this county-eliminating many necessary subjects-history for one and many electives that give diversification and added employment skills ot all of our students</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a retired teacher,  I will continue to speak out against the FCAT.  It is the main reason for my retirement.  I said to my colleagues that the day I teach to one test is the day that education starts going down a slippery slope.  The only ones to benefit from the FCAT are those test-makers and graders whoi get paid a pretty penny cfor doing so.  FCAT has driven the curriculum in this county-eliminating many necessary subjects-history for one and many electives that give diversification and added employment skills ot all of our students</p>
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		<title>By: KENT</title>
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		<dc:creator>KENT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so thankful that my children are out of school.  This school system is why we put our children in private school!  They received an all around GOOD EDUCATION,  not an FCAT education.  They were tested on what they studied all year and passed accordingly to the next grade.  I agree with whoever said we need to get rid of those making these decisions and get someone who wants our children to be able to compete in this world.   A GOOD elementary  education can go a long way!!   Not everyone is able to go to college.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so thankful that my children are out of school.  This school system is why we put our children in private school!  They received an all around GOOD EDUCATION,  not an FCAT education.  They were tested on what they studied all year and passed accordingly to the next grade.  I agree with whoever said we need to get rid of those making these decisions and get someone who wants our children to be able to compete in this world.   A GOOD elementary  education can go a long way!!   Not everyone is able to go to college.</p>
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