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	<title>Comments on: Liberty Counsel Will Sue Santa Rosa; Calls School Prayer Battle &#8216;Nuclear War&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Parentwithabrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parentwithabrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, have you read the actual decree?  Rather than isolating words and phrases as the article has done it would do everyone good if they actually would read the decree.  http://www.aclu.org/files/pdfs/religion/santarosaco_consentdecree.pdf
If you read the original decree you will see how ridiculous this entire complaint is.  

The fact of the matter is individuals involved in the original suit and those who subsequently violated the decree did so knowingly and willingly.  They should be rewarded for breaking the law.  

Teachers, staff and administrators may not, in the public school system, preach or pray with students.  The reason for the original suit was based upon flagrant violations of the law knowingly and willingly.  

The current lawsuit is ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, have you read the actual decree?  Rather than isolating words and phrases as the article has done it would do everyone good if they actually would read the decree.  <a href="http://www.aclu.org/files/pdfs/religion/santarosaco_consentdecree.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.aclu.org/files/pdfs/religion/santarosaco_consentdecree.pdf</a><br />
If you read the original decree you will see how ridiculous this entire complaint is.  </p>
<p>The fact of the matter is individuals involved in the original suit and those who subsequently violated the decree did so knowingly and willingly.  They should be rewarded for breaking the law.  </p>
<p>Teachers, staff and administrators may not, in the public school system, preach or pray with students.  The reason for the original suit was based upon flagrant violations of the law knowingly and willingly.  </p>
<p>The current lawsuit is ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: bill, big b little ill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill, big b little ill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arguing over who is right or wrong between Christians just don&#039;t make good sense. I do love to talk about God\Jesus.My favorite topic. So lets clear up a few things about praying out loud. No harm in asking the Lord to forgive you or to pray for some else. No harm in asking someone to say the blessing over a meal. The harm in praying out loud is being boastful, or your intention of praying trying to impress others with your prayer. The sincere prayer is always heard by God, if praying out loud was wrong, the disciples nor Jesus would have but they did. 

I still say this is all just an attack on God. Not prayer..Prayer is how we communicate with the Father (God). 

 So maybe it would not hurt if you got down on your knees in private and ask God what he would have you say before you say it. Have a Blessed day in the Lord.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arguing over who is right or wrong between Christians just don&#8217;t make good sense. I do love to talk about God\Jesus.My favorite topic. So lets clear up a few things about praying out loud. No harm in asking the Lord to forgive you or to pray for some else. No harm in asking someone to say the blessing over a meal. The harm in praying out loud is being boastful, or your intention of praying trying to impress others with your prayer. The sincere prayer is always heard by God, if praying out loud was wrong, the disciples nor Jesus would have but they did. </p>
<p>I still say this is all just an attack on God. Not prayer..Prayer is how we communicate with the Father (God). </p>
<p> So maybe it would not hurt if you got down on your knees in private and ask God what he would have you say before you say it. Have a Blessed day in the Lord.</p>
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		<title>By: bill, big b little ill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill, big b little ill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did any of you read this part of the article.

School employees are prohibited from “communication with a deity” when in their “official capacity.” They are considered to be in their “official capacity” even when not working – whenever they attend a “school event,” which includes events during the day, including breaks, after-school events on or off campus, and privately sponsored events on campus for students. Employees cannot bow their head or fold their hands and must prohibit others from praying, even in meetings such as Good News Clubs or privately sponsored baccalaureate services. The ACLU has dragged three employees to court already, 

Did you see??????? just bow their heads, fold hands, prohibit others from praying.
or maybe the part that states .....They are considered to be in their “official capacity” even when not working .   even on breaks......said bow their head or fold hands. 

I know you can pray without being noticed and you should. But even just giving the appearance of......pitiful</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did any of you read this part of the article.</p>
<p>School employees are prohibited from “communication with a deity” when in their “official capacity.” They are considered to be in their “official capacity” even when not working – whenever they attend a “school event,” which includes events during the day, including breaks, after-school events on or off campus, and privately sponsored events on campus for students. Employees cannot bow their head or fold their hands and must prohibit others from praying, even in meetings such as Good News Clubs or privately sponsored baccalaureate services. The ACLU has dragged three employees to court already, </p>
<p>Did you see??????? just bow their heads, fold hands, prohibit others from praying.<br />
or maybe the part that states &#8230;..They are considered to be in their “official capacity” even when not working .   even on breaks&#8230;&#8230;said bow their head or fold hands. </p>
<p>I know you can pray without being noticed and you should. But even just giving the appearance of&#8230;&#8230;pitiful</p>
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		<title>By: molinojim</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 02:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please remember that the King James Bible was re written at the order of King James. There were early Bibles that did not agree with what he wanted in the Bible so being King he ordered it rewritten. There were others at the time of Jesus who claim to be the Son of God and a number of them were also killed by the Roman government because of the unrest they were causing. I pray and some times talk with God---only I know when I&#039;m doing it. I know some folks feel you have to yell out when you pray---I do not feel that way. May the peace of God help us to accept the short coming of those who travel a different road in life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please remember that the King James Bible was re written at the order of King James. There were early Bibles that did not agree with what he wanted in the Bible so being King he ordered it rewritten. There were others at the time of Jesus who claim to be the Son of God and a number of them were also killed by the Roman government because of the unrest they were causing. I pray and some times talk with God&#8212;only I know when I&#8217;m doing it. I know some folks feel you have to yell out when you pray&#8212;I do not feel that way. May the peace of God help us to accept the short coming of those who travel a different road in life.</p>
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		<title>By: Parentwithabrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parentwithabrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going to a temple to pray is much different than adults leading children in prayer in a public school setting. Let&#039;s not forget this.  And I will repeat if a child is being denied their bible  to quietly read during free time or being told they may not silently bow their heads to pray before meals then their rights are being violated and this needs to be addressed.  I have yet to personally witness any of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going to a temple to pray is much different than adults leading children in prayer in a public school setting. Let&#8217;s not forget this.  And I will repeat if a child is being denied their bible  to quietly read during free time or being told they may not silently bow their heads to pray before meals then their rights are being violated and this needs to be addressed.  I have yet to personally witness any of this.</p>
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		<title>By: bill, big b little ill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill, big b little ill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Again, I say to you who feel it is necessary to draw attention to yourselves as you pray…you have your reward.&quot;

This is quoted from Jesus&#039; Sermon on the Mount. Christ&#039;s teaching here is not that it is wrong to pray in public. Jesus himself often prayed and taught in public. Verses one and two of Matthew six both clarify the motives of the people: &quot;...to be seen of [men], and &quot;that they may have glory of men.&quot; If it were completely wrong to pray in public what of the Pharisee and the publican who both went to the temple in Luke 18? Both would be seen of men. The motive of the Pharisee was to be seen. He was seen and therefore had his reward. The publican was also seen praying and was counted righteous. It is not Scripturally wrong go pray in front of people...just wanted to clarify that.

I personally would not want &quot;religion&quot; taught in school. When I attended Santa Rosa county school, not too long ago, it was not expressly taught. At the time I was not a Christian, nor was I reared in a Christian home. But I knew many of the teachers who were. I remember a teacher, Danny Adams, who was a very talented teacher. I had him twice: algebra 1 and 2. I also knew he was a youth pastor. Just as PWAB said, if the teachers are allowed to proselytize, then that liberty must also be granted to the Muslim, the Buddhist, the Satanist, the Wiccan, the Mormon, etc. But if a Muslim wishes to pray openly, as is required by his religion, he is not imposing his religion upon me. When he begins to approach students in the school environment and teach them about Allah, he is encroaching upon them. But the actual act of praying does no one harm.

We wanted our children raised in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. We wanted them to have a Christian worldview. That is the reason, in part, that we chose homeschooling.

To Just Wondering: My husband is youth pastor to about 20 teens, most of which attend local schools. Some of them have also been discouraged from similar things as your daughter has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Again, I say to you who feel it is necessary to draw attention to yourselves as you pray…you have your reward.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is quoted from Jesus&#8217; Sermon on the Mount. Christ&#8217;s teaching here is not that it is wrong to pray in public. Jesus himself often prayed and taught in public. Verses one and two of Matthew six both clarify the motives of the people: &#8220;&#8230;to be seen of [men], and &#8220;that they may have glory of men.&#8221; If it were completely wrong to pray in public what of the Pharisee and the publican who both went to the temple in Luke 18? Both would be seen of men. The motive of the Pharisee was to be seen. He was seen and therefore had his reward. The publican was also seen praying and was counted righteous. It is not Scripturally wrong go pray in front of people&#8230;just wanted to clarify that.</p>
<p>I personally would not want &#8220;religion&#8221; taught in school. When I attended Santa Rosa county school, not too long ago, it was not expressly taught. At the time I was not a Christian, nor was I reared in a Christian home. But I knew many of the teachers who were. I remember a teacher, Danny Adams, who was a very talented teacher. I had him twice: algebra 1 and 2. I also knew he was a youth pastor. Just as PWAB said, if the teachers are allowed to proselytize, then that liberty must also be granted to the Muslim, the Buddhist, the Satanist, the Wiccan, the Mormon, etc. But if a Muslim wishes to pray openly, as is required by his religion, he is not imposing his religion upon me. When he begins to approach students in the school environment and teach them about Allah, he is encroaching upon them. But the actual act of praying does no one harm.</p>
<p>We wanted our children raised in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. We wanted them to have a Christian worldview. That is the reason, in part, that we chose homeschooling.</p>
<p>To Just Wondering: My husband is youth pastor to about 20 teens, most of which attend local schools. Some of them have also been discouraged from similar things as your daughter has.</p>
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		<title>By: Thinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Learn about the ACLU: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_Liberties_Union

Who else do we have to fight for INDIVIDUAL rights in the courts!    Anyone got an answer to THAT ?

Our country is suffering from this &quot;age of the special interests&quot;, which include mostly big corporations, but also Christian right fanatics.  The country is founded on INDIVIDUAL rights.  

Of course, under our laws, if you are negatively affected as an individual, by a law, you can then go to court to fight it…IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY.  Or you can notify the ACLU or others, like the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

Quote: ~Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. - Seneca the Younger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Learn about the ACLU: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_Liberties_Union" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_Liberties_Union</a></p>
<p>Who else do we have to fight for INDIVIDUAL rights in the courts!    Anyone got an answer to THAT ?</p>
<p>Our country is suffering from this &#8220;age of the special interests&#8221;, which include mostly big corporations, but also Christian right fanatics.  The country is founded on INDIVIDUAL rights.  </p>
<p>Of course, under our laws, if you are negatively affected as an individual, by a law, you can then go to court to fight it…IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY.  Or you can notify the ACLU or others, like the Freedom From Religion Foundation.</p>
<p>Quote: ~Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. &#8211; Seneca the Younger</p>
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		<title>By: bill, big b little ill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill, big b little ill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wondering....The only thing stopping your daughter is her age and fear. If they tell her to stop breathing .......will she? You absolutly can not be stopped. Even if you are bound and gaged, handcuffed, taped from head to toe, etc. You still can pray...now can&#039;t you! God Bless those who are persecuted for his name sake.
Matthew 5:10-11</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wondering&#8230;.The only thing stopping your daughter is her age and fear. If they tell her to stop breathing &#8230;&#8230;.will she? You absolutly can not be stopped. Even if you are bound and gaged, handcuffed, taped from head to toe, etc. You still can pray&#8230;now can&#8217;t you! God Bless those who are persecuted for his name sake.<br />
Matthew 5:10-11</p>
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		<title>By: Parentwithabrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parentwithabrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, as I stated before you have not angered me or hurt my feelings.   My only problem is a ridiculous money wasting lawsuit because a very small group of people are purposely misconstruing what the decree states and creating unnecessary drama.

And just wondering, your daughter should not be prevented from bringing her bible to school.  Most of the school libraries have them on the shelves as well.  I know the school where I work does.  Nor should she be prevented from reading her bible to herself or praying to herself over her food.  If she is being prevented from praying or reading her bible to herself, well then I suggest you contact the school and ask why.  And if the answer is unsatisfactory contact the ACLU because your daughter&#039;s rights are being violated.

However, if she is wishing to read out loud or pray out loud that is something else entirely and is considered disruptive.  God does not need us to pray out loud in order to hear our prayers.  Again, I say to you who feel it is necessary to draw attention to yourselves as you pray...you have your reward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, as I stated before you have not angered me or hurt my feelings.   My only problem is a ridiculous money wasting lawsuit because a very small group of people are purposely misconstruing what the decree states and creating unnecessary drama.</p>
<p>And just wondering, your daughter should not be prevented from bringing her bible to school.  Most of the school libraries have them on the shelves as well.  I know the school where I work does.  Nor should she be prevented from reading her bible to herself or praying to herself over her food.  If she is being prevented from praying or reading her bible to herself, well then I suggest you contact the school and ask why.  And if the answer is unsatisfactory contact the ACLU because your daughter&#8217;s rights are being violated.</p>
<p>However, if she is wishing to read out loud or pray out loud that is something else entirely and is considered disruptive.  God does not need us to pray out loud in order to hear our prayers.  Again, I say to you who feel it is necessary to draw attention to yourselves as you pray&#8230;you have your reward.</p>
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