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	<title>Comments on: Pensacola Votes Against Consolidation; Attorney: County Could Pay For Pensions, Maritime Park</title>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all responders pro or con. Consolidation is in no way ,shape, form or fashion in the best interest of any one living in rural Escambia County. We have voted this down in the past and if by some means particular politicians try to keep this charade alive they will pay with their political career. We are a voice that will be  heard and trying to push something on the residents will be a mistake. we will retalliate like the wrath of a woman scorned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all responders pro or con. Consolidation is in no way ,shape, form or fashion in the best interest of any one living in rural Escambia County. We have voted this down in the past and if by some means particular politicians try to keep this charade alive they will pay with their political career. We are a voice that will be  heard and trying to push something on the residents will be a mistake. we will retalliate like the wrath of a woman scorned.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarry Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarry Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 01:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I served on the ECCSC and I can assure you Mr. Cunningham was a vocal advocate for the interests and opinions of the northern end of the county.  I feel it is important to make a couple of points.

1.  Votes by the Commissioners for the plan were NOT votes by the Commissioners for consolidation.  Rather that they felt that the commission had met it&#039;s charge from the legislature - to study consolidation and prepare draft legislation.  Several Commissioners specifically expressed this point - that while they may well be personally opposed to consolidation - that the plan was a solid document and that it should go forward, PER OUR CHARGE FROM TALLAHASSEE.

2.  RE: the ballpark - The Florida Constitution does allow for an expansion of taxes HOWEVER the Charter specifically prohibits it and therefore has precedence.  A point that was clarified to Mr. Wells satisfaction last night.  As a side note - Mr. Cunningham was very upfront in SUCCESSFULLY advocating that the strongest possible language be drafted insuring that the CMP debt not be imposed on non-city residents.

3.  ESP/City Pensions - ESP is a revenue generating enterprise worth between $90 and $115 million dollars.  The unfunded pension liability is about $85 million.  The language above - which I advocated for - accomplishes three things...

- It insures that non-city residents don&#039;t see their ad volorum taxes used to pay the pension obligation.
- Compensates city residents for turning over ESP to the new consolidated government.
- Provides a guaranteed funding source for pensioners.

It has been my honor and privilage to serve with Mr Scott, Mr. Tanner and Mr. Cunningham.  I would hope that posters here would have greater appreciation for the time and energy (not to mention miles of driving) they have put into this effort.

Uninformed and inconsiderate comments are not productive.  I would hope that all of you will take the time to better understand the Study Commission&#039;s process and end product before rejecting it and the thousands of hours of volunteer work that went into it out of hand.

Reasonable people can disagree over the merits of the plan and I think it is a conversation this county needs to have.  Consolidation may ro may not be for you and it may or may not be the answer to the challenges this community faces.  

However:  &quot;I don&#039;t know what it says or what it does.  I just know I&#039;m against it and anyone who&#039;s been within 100 feet of it&quot; is most certainly NOT the answer.  It is instead a perfect example of the mindset that has led this community to consistently be bypassed by our neighbors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I served on the ECCSC and I can assure you Mr. Cunningham was a vocal advocate for the interests and opinions of the northern end of the county.  I feel it is important to make a couple of points.</p>
<p>1.  Votes by the Commissioners for the plan were NOT votes by the Commissioners for consolidation.  Rather that they felt that the commission had met it&#8217;s charge from the legislature &#8211; to study consolidation and prepare draft legislation.  Several Commissioners specifically expressed this point &#8211; that while they may well be personally opposed to consolidation &#8211; that the plan was a solid document and that it should go forward, PER OUR CHARGE FROM TALLAHASSEE.</p>
<p>2.  RE: the ballpark &#8211; The Florida Constitution does allow for an expansion of taxes HOWEVER the Charter specifically prohibits it and therefore has precedence.  A point that was clarified to Mr. Wells satisfaction last night.  As a side note &#8211; Mr. Cunningham was very upfront in SUCCESSFULLY advocating that the strongest possible language be drafted insuring that the CMP debt not be imposed on non-city residents.</p>
<p>3.  ESP/City Pensions &#8211; ESP is a revenue generating enterprise worth between $90 and $115 million dollars.  The unfunded pension liability is about $85 million.  The language above &#8211; which I advocated for &#8211; accomplishes three things&#8230;</p>
<p>- It insures that non-city residents don&#8217;t see their ad volorum taxes used to pay the pension obligation.<br />
- Compensates city residents for turning over ESP to the new consolidated government.<br />
- Provides a guaranteed funding source for pensioners.</p>
<p>It has been my honor and privilage to serve with Mr Scott, Mr. Tanner and Mr. Cunningham.  I would hope that posters here would have greater appreciation for the time and energy (not to mention miles of driving) they have put into this effort.</p>
<p>Uninformed and inconsiderate comments are not productive.  I would hope that all of you will take the time to better understand the Study Commission&#8217;s process and end product before rejecting it and the thousands of hours of volunteer work that went into it out of hand.</p>
<p>Reasonable people can disagree over the merits of the plan and I think it is a conversation this county needs to have.  Consolidation may ro may not be for you and it may or may not be the answer to the challenges this community faces.  </p>
<p>However:  &#8220;I don&#8217;t know what it says or what it does.  I just know I&#8217;m against it and anyone who&#8217;s been within 100 feet of it&#8221; is most certainly NOT the answer.  It is instead a perfect example of the mindset that has led this community to consistently be bypassed by our neighbors.</p>
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		<title>By: SW</title>
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		<dc:creator>SW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t see an attack against Mr. Cunningham.  I saw someone who held him accountable for they believed was a bad decision.  

I don&#039;t know the man, so I can&#039;t get personal.  I do feel that I can disagree with his vote and his position on this matter; and I do, as a matter of fact.  

Hopefully, disagreeing with somone is not an attack.  I would think that an attack on someone would begin if it got personal, i.e., family, reputation, etc.

Okay, maybe riding them out on a rail is a bit much; but that still is not an &#039;attack&#039;, surely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t see an attack against Mr. Cunningham.  I saw someone who held him accountable for they believed was a bad decision.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the man, so I can&#8217;t get personal.  I do feel that I can disagree with his vote and his position on this matter; and I do, as a matter of fact.  </p>
<p>Hopefully, disagreeing with somone is not an attack.  I would think that an attack on someone would begin if it got personal, i.e., family, reputation, etc.</p>
<p>Okay, maybe riding them out on a rail is a bit much; but that still is not an &#8216;attack&#8217;, surely.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The taxpayers are being Robbed with this ballpark Scam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The taxpayers are being Robbed with this ballpark Scam.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Bob... I have to side with Gator Girl on this one. Heated debates over complex issues is fine, but I&#039;ve seen too many public servants with good hearts and nothing to gain financially get personally attacked by the public... and that&#039;s a huge shame.

Cunningham might be mistaken in his opinion, but this IS a complex issue and rational people will certainly come to differing conclusions based on the objective facts. I mean, really... if this were just an open-and-shut case of the City wanting to screw the County, then why did Pensacola vote it down today?

All I&#039;m saying is that there&#039;s more involved than just what&#039;s on the surface, and to slander someone like Cunningham without taking the time to understand all the ins and outs of the commission&#039;s report isn&#039;t a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Bob&#8230; I have to side with Gator Girl on this one. Heated debates over complex issues is fine, but I&#8217;ve seen too many public servants with good hearts and nothing to gain financially get personally attacked by the public&#8230; and that&#8217;s a huge shame.</p>
<p>Cunningham might be mistaken in his opinion, but this IS a complex issue and rational people will certainly come to differing conclusions based on the objective facts. I mean, really&#8230; if this were just an open-and-shut case of the City wanting to screw the County, then why did Pensacola vote it down today?</p>
<p>All I&#8217;m saying is that there&#8217;s more involved than just what&#8217;s on the surface, and to slander someone like Cunningham without taking the time to understand all the ins and outs of the commission&#8217;s report isn&#8217;t a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally did not appoint any of the representatives  to vote in my behalf on this issue. If these gentlemen had North Escambia&#039;s interest at heart they would have voted differently. None of these reps asked my opinion nor do I know of them asking for anyone else&#039;s. Therefore I will stand by Oversight,and also add ; voting for this had to benefit these people personally or they were pressured from some source.I don&#039; t think you could find fifty people outside Pensacola City limits that would vote for this nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally did not appoint any of the representatives  to vote in my behalf on this issue. If these gentlemen had North Escambia&#8217;s interest at heart they would have voted differently. None of these reps asked my opinion nor do I know of them asking for anyone else&#8217;s. Therefore I will stand by Oversight,and also add ; voting for this had to benefit these people personally or they were pressured from some source.I don&#8217; t think you could find fifty people outside Pensacola City limits that would vote for this nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Gator Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gator Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want to get into a battle of wills over this. Each person had a vote, they voted how they thought. My point is that attacking people&#039;s character leads them to not want to serve any part of Escambia County. Their are a lot of people that would like to run for office, but don&#039;t want to subject themselves to attacks like these. I am 150% behind Mr. Cunningham and hope that people will be able to look at the facts of the bill. We can not support the bill based on our opinions of the language and facts. Thank you Mr. Cunningham and the others for all your hard work serving Escambia County and keep up promoting this great area of Florida!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to get into a battle of wills over this. Each person had a vote, they voted how they thought. My point is that attacking people&#8217;s character leads them to not want to serve any part of Escambia County. Their are a lot of people that would like to run for office, but don&#8217;t want to subject themselves to attacks like these. I am 150% behind Mr. Cunningham and hope that people will be able to look at the facts of the bill. We can not support the bill based on our opinions of the language and facts. Thank you Mr. Cunningham and the others for all your hard work serving Escambia County and keep up promoting this great area of Florida!</p>
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		<title>By: Oversight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oversight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gator Girl...  

It&#039;s nice that you can defend Cunningham, but why did he sell us out?   Cunningham could have voted no, but sadly he didn&#039;t do that and in the process he lost a lot of respect in and around the community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gator Girl&#8230;  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice that you can defend Cunningham, but why did he sell us out?   Cunningham could have voted no, but sadly he didn&#8217;t do that and in the process he lost a lot of respect in and around the community.</p>
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		<title>By: Gator Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gator Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also don&#039;t support the consolidation plan and rarely speak on public forums such as these, however, Oversight I have to call you out for going after someone who represents everything that is good about Escambia County. Jimmy Cunningham and the Cunningham Family are great citizens and work everyday to make Escambia a better place. They volunteer and work to raise money for the local kids livestock projects, support many local organizations, and would do anything to help anyone. They have built respect around the  region for the operation they have helped build and work tirelessly to make sure that our county doesn&#039;t forget its agriculture foundation. They run an excellent small business, which I know he sacrificed time from in order to serve on this commission.  While I respect your opinion on the consolidation bill, please don&#039;t go after individuals who have dedicated so much to making this a better place for the youth in our area. This is about the bill and the future of the county, not going after individuals character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also don&#8217;t support the consolidation plan and rarely speak on public forums such as these, however, Oversight I have to call you out for going after someone who represents everything that is good about Escambia County. Jimmy Cunningham and the Cunningham Family are great citizens and work everyday to make Escambia a better place. They volunteer and work to raise money for the local kids livestock projects, support many local organizations, and would do anything to help anyone. They have built respect around the  region for the operation they have helped build and work tirelessly to make sure that our county doesn&#8217;t forget its agriculture foundation. They run an excellent small business, which I know he sacrificed time from in order to serve on this commission.  While I respect your opinion on the consolidation bill, please don&#8217;t go after individuals who have dedicated so much to making this a better place for the youth in our area. This is about the bill and the future of the county, not going after individuals character.</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stopped to sign the petition against the park and was told I could not sign it because I&#039;m not a city resident.  Now, I&#039;m told I could have to pay for it?

This is pure taxation without representation.  Stop the park project now.  If it is so &#039;great&#039;, let a private developer risk his own money - not the tax payers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stopped to sign the petition against the park and was told I could not sign it because I&#8217;m not a city resident.  Now, I&#8217;m told I could have to pay for it?</p>
<p>This is pure taxation without representation.  Stop the park project now.  If it is so &#8216;great&#8217;, let a private developer risk his own money &#8211; not the tax payers.</p>
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