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		<title>By: David Huie Green</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/07/educators-challenge-aclu-school-religion-decree/comment-page-1#comment-14975</link>
		<dc:creator>David Huie Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REGARDING:
&quot;Jim on July 7th, 2009 3:56 pm Anyone remember Matthew 6:6? It was Jesus admonishing those who felt it necessary to give a public display of their piety.&quot;

Yes, Jesus admonished worship practiced to be seen, but we just can&#039;t establish His teaching as the way others have to practice their religion. Most groups who call themselves Christian aren&#039;t.

They still have their freedom, though.
Freedom for others to do only what I like is not freedom.
It is slavery</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REGARDING:<br />
&#8220;Jim on July 7th, 2009 3:56 pm Anyone remember Matthew 6:6? It was Jesus admonishing those who felt it necessary to give a public display of their piety.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, Jesus admonished worship practiced to be seen, but we just can&#8217;t establish His teaching as the way others have to practice their religion. Most groups who call themselves Christian aren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>They still have their freedom, though.<br />
Freedom for others to do only what I like is not freedom.<br />
It is slavery</p>
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		<title>By: David Huie Green</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/07/educators-challenge-aclu-school-religion-decree/comment-page-1#comment-14974</link>
		<dc:creator>David Huie Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REGARDING:
&quot;Part of living in a free society, where every one can live their private life according their conscience, means keeping some aspects of their lives out of their public occupations. Christians have gotten a free pass on this for a very long time in this country, and are now acting like a spoiled child who now has to follow the rules everyone else already lives by.&quot;
ACTUALLY, everybody has gotten a free pass up until lately. Saying anyone has to follow the rules everyone else lives by encompasses the thought that there are rules laid down for religious practices. 

In fact the rule laid down is that there may be no rules.

The Constitution does not refer to any deity but it does spell out that the government can not make rules establishing or forbidding religious exercise:
&quot;respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof&quot;

Yes, rote prayers are obviously forbidden but telling people they can not follow their religious beliefs is also forbidden. (Obviously human sacrifice would be forbidden for other reasons unrelated to religion, i.e. murder and disturbing teaching to yell at others would be stealing)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REGARDING:<br />
&#8220;Part of living in a free society, where every one can live their private life according their conscience, means keeping some aspects of their lives out of their public occupations. Christians have gotten a free pass on this for a very long time in this country, and are now acting like a spoiled child who now has to follow the rules everyone else already lives by.&#8221;<br />
ACTUALLY, everybody has gotten a free pass up until lately. Saying anyone has to follow the rules everyone else lives by encompasses the thought that there are rules laid down for religious practices. </p>
<p>In fact the rule laid down is that there may be no rules.</p>
<p>The Constitution does not refer to any deity but it does spell out that the government can not make rules establishing or forbidding religious exercise:<br />
&#8220;respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, rote prayers are obviously forbidden but telling people they can not follow their religious beliefs is also forbidden. (Obviously human sacrifice would be forbidden for other reasons unrelated to religion, i.e. murder and disturbing teaching to yell at others would be stealing)</p>
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		<title>By: Mom of three</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mom of three</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me! on July 7th, 2009 10:15 am If you want to fight the ACLU you need to support the ALLIANCE DEFENSE FUND. They have an army of lawyers and have successfully defeated the ACLU in a lot of cases similiar to the Pace High issue. The ACLU is one of the most vile organizations out there trying to destroy the Constitution of the United States.



I would like to know how to support ALLIANCE DEFENSE FUND.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me! on July 7th, 2009 10:15 am If you want to fight the ACLU you need to support the ALLIANCE DEFENSE FUND. They have an army of lawyers and have successfully defeated the ACLU in a lot of cases similiar to the Pace High issue. The ACLU is one of the most vile organizations out there trying to destroy the Constitution of the United States.</p>
<p>I would like to know how to support ALLIANCE DEFENSE FUND.</p>
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		<title>By: AL</title>
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		<dc:creator>AL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 03:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ann on July 7th, 2009 12:40 pm Come on, Al! You and I both know that’s bull.


Do I know you? Do you know me? Please don&#039;t assume to know my beliefs and intentions. I have respectfully stood to the side during evening prayers, and the very same co-worker paused their conversation for me to pray over my meal. It is called respect. Try it sometime, it can be addicting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ann on July 7th, 2009 12:40 pm Come on, Al! You and I both know that’s bull.</p>
<p>Do I know you? Do you know me? Please don&#8217;t assume to know my beliefs and intentions. I have respectfully stood to the side during evening prayers, and the very same co-worker paused their conversation for me to pray over my meal. It is called respect. Try it sometime, it can be addicting.</p>
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		<title>By: hstrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>hstrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a teacher and have been for 15 years.  I have prayed during silent moment, before meals, before major tests, and when there were crises at school.  I have been at sports events, graduations, and other school events where prayers were said.  I have never, nor have I ever seen, anyone forced, shamed, ridiculed, or otherwise coerced into participating in a religious activity in which they were not willing participants.  For one thing, when most of us pray, we bow our heads and close our eyes and we don&#039;t even know what anybody else is doing!   I doubt you could find any teacher in the southeast who coerces or manipulates by using undue authority his/her students to follow his/her beliefs.  UNLESS there is a total vacuum in the child&#039;s home that he/she needs to fill by unusual attachment to his/her teacher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a teacher and have been for 15 years.  I have prayed during silent moment, before meals, before major tests, and when there were crises at school.  I have been at sports events, graduations, and other school events where prayers were said.  I have never, nor have I ever seen, anyone forced, shamed, ridiculed, or otherwise coerced into participating in a religious activity in which they were not willing participants.  For one thing, when most of us pray, we bow our heads and close our eyes and we don&#8217;t even know what anybody else is doing!   I doubt you could find any teacher in the southeast who coerces or manipulates by using undue authority his/her students to follow his/her beliefs.  UNLESS there is a total vacuum in the child&#8217;s home that he/she needs to fill by unusual attachment to his/her teacher.</p>
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		<title>By: forgiven</title>
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		<dc:creator>forgiven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s quite a big difference between a teacher bowing his/her head to pray SILENTLY over lunch and a teacher MAKING students pray &amp; learn Scripture as a part of the cirriculum which is not the case here. This order seeks to take away the freedom of one group in order to accomodate the preferences of another group. Not allowing someone to pray silently with their head bowed is essentially taking away a part of their individuality which is what makes America such a melting pot. Our ancestors left Europe in search of religous FREEDOM. 
The courts do not need to attempt to program teachers &amp; students like a bunch of robots--that&#039;s a ridiculous concept that has proven to fail in many other countries. Take a look at history. 


I borrow the words of Jesus Christ, the Way, the Truth and the LIFE...
&quot;Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s quite a big difference between a teacher bowing his/her head to pray SILENTLY over lunch and a teacher MAKING students pray &amp; learn Scripture as a part of the cirriculum which is not the case here. This order seeks to take away the freedom of one group in order to accomodate the preferences of another group. Not allowing someone to pray silently with their head bowed is essentially taking away a part of their individuality which is what makes America such a melting pot. Our ancestors left Europe in search of religous FREEDOM.<br />
The courts do not need to attempt to program teachers &amp; students like a bunch of robots&#8211;that&#8217;s a ridiculous concept that has proven to fail in many other countries. Take a look at history. </p>
<p>I borrow the words of Jesus Christ, the Way, the Truth and the LIFE&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, James and Jim.  I agree 100%!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, James and Jim.  I agree 100%!</p>
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		<title>By: James Michael Parasolick</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Michael Parasolick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who criticize the ACLU and think they are anti Christian:

http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who criticize the ACLU and think they are anti Christian:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not the school districts job to protect the teachers free speech. In the same way that freedom of religion does not grant a free pass to break the law, freedom of speech is not a free pass to abuse a position of authority. Free speech can, and is, limited where certain individuals have a significant position of authority and influence.

As a military member, there are certain things I cannot say or do publicly while in uniform, lest I give an impression that I represent the military as a whole. Same as when in uniform as a police officer. I voluntarily entered both of those agencies. If I can no longer abide by those restrictions, I can leave, at least when my commitment is up.

If a teacher can not in good conscience, abide by the restrictions of teaching in a public school, they can apply to a Christian or other religious school, or not teach. Just because they don&#039;t like the options available, doesn&#039;t mean the rest of society should change to accommodate them. Part of living in a free society, where every one can live their private life according their conscience, means keeping some aspects of their lives out of their public occupations. Christians have gotten a free pass on this for a very long time in this country, and are now acting like a spoiled child who now has to follow the rules everyone else already lives by. Forgive me if I am unable to shed any tears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not the school districts job to protect the teachers free speech. In the same way that freedom of religion does not grant a free pass to break the law, freedom of speech is not a free pass to abuse a position of authority. Free speech can, and is, limited where certain individuals have a significant position of authority and influence.</p>
<p>As a military member, there are certain things I cannot say or do publicly while in uniform, lest I give an impression that I represent the military as a whole. Same as when in uniform as a police officer. I voluntarily entered both of those agencies. If I can no longer abide by those restrictions, I can leave, at least when my commitment is up.</p>
<p>If a teacher can not in good conscience, abide by the restrictions of teaching in a public school, they can apply to a Christian or other religious school, or not teach. Just because they don&#8217;t like the options available, doesn&#8217;t mean the rest of society should change to accommodate them. Part of living in a free society, where every one can live their private life according their conscience, means keeping some aspects of their lives out of their public occupations. Christians have gotten a free pass on this for a very long time in this country, and are now acting like a spoiled child who now has to follow the rules everyone else already lives by. Forgive me if I am unable to shed any tears.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, please check your Constitution again. Nowhere in the Constitution is God ever mentioned. You may be mistaking the Constitution with the Declaration of Independence, a common error.

And if you think that this country was founded as a Christian nation, check your history. The vast majority of our founding fathers were not Christians. Some were deists and others were atheists. Remember that Ben Franklin said, &quot;Lighthouses are more useful than churches.&quot; Need more?

James Madison wrote, &quot;Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.&quot;

In a letter to Thomas Jefferson, John Adams wrote, &quot;I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved-- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!&quot;

And Jefferson himself wrote, &quot;Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity.  What has been the effect of coercion?  To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.  To support roguery and error all over the earth.&quot;

Our founding fathers had seen the horrors that a connection between the church and the state had brought to Europe and wanted no part of it. They wanted to protect the churches from the government as much as protecting the government from the churches. It&#039;s a double-edged sword. 

Again, if you ever find yourself in the minority, you&#039;ll be glad that this protection exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, please check your Constitution again. Nowhere in the Constitution is God ever mentioned. You may be mistaking the Constitution with the Declaration of Independence, a common error.</p>
<p>And if you think that this country was founded as a Christian nation, check your history. The vast majority of our founding fathers were not Christians. Some were deists and others were atheists. Remember that Ben Franklin said, &#8220;Lighthouses are more useful than churches.&#8221; Need more?</p>
<p>James Madison wrote, &#8220;Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.&#8221;</p>
<p>In a letter to Thomas Jefferson, John Adams wrote, &#8220;I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved&#8211; the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!&#8221;</p>
<p>And Jefferson himself wrote, &#8220;Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity.  What has been the effect of coercion?  To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.  To support roguery and error all over the earth.&#8221;</p>
<p>Our founding fathers had seen the horrors that a connection between the church and the state had brought to Europe and wanted no part of it. They wanted to protect the churches from the government as much as protecting the government from the churches. It&#8217;s a double-edged sword. </p>
<p>Again, if you ever find yourself in the minority, you&#8217;ll be glad that this protection exists.</p>
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