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	<title>Comments on: ECAT And 3-Cent Gas Tax: An In Depth Look At North Escambia&#8217;s Only Bus</title>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/06/ecat-and-3-cent-gas-tax-an-in-depth-look-at-north-escambias-only-bus/comment-page-1#comment-13367</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people do work their entire adult lives.  I work, my parents worked until they became disabled. I will instill into my children to work as well.  If my parents needed transportation and was able to ride a bus, I would be happy it was there for them, same for my children to go to college because I can&#039;t afford to purchase them a car.  I am sure there are many parents that can&#039;t afford cars and the bus&#039; are safe.  

&quot;and I’m fixing to lose my job at a local plant, and the commissioners are very well aware of the industry that’s leaving this area, and they have the nerve to propose this, again! &quot;  I am sorry about your loss if this happens, but in all honesty this does not have anything to do with the gas tax.  

If your parents needed transportation, your children, yourself....whether is takes an hour or longer to commute if the cost is better for an individual it is available.  If you were to lose your job, there would still be transportation available for you to look for a new one. 

&quot;I’ve seen these bus routes, been behind many of them. They do not always stop at designated bus stops. I’ve seen them stop right on Hwy. 29 or just wherever the rider wants to get on or off. They get off of the “designated” routes, to drop their friends off at their destinations, and they sit and chat at friends passing down the road walking, all the while you have to sit and wait for them to move out of the way.&quot;  You should call it in if you think that is what is happening so it could be fixed, but the buses are equipped with GPS and if they deviate from route for some reason they have to call it in.  Again, this has nothing to do with the 3 cent gas tax.

&quot;But let me ask the county and/or state this question, since when did the government start issuing gas cards to people who couldn’t afford their own gas? Didn’t know this was going on until about a month ago, when I went to Escarosa in Century. And if it’s the Federal Government funding it, then I think ECAT ought to get it’s funding from them.&quot; Again, we use diesel and this has nothing to do with the gas tax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people do work their entire adult lives.  I work, my parents worked until they became disabled. I will instill into my children to work as well.  If my parents needed transportation and was able to ride a bus, I would be happy it was there for them, same for my children to go to college because I can&#8217;t afford to purchase them a car.  I am sure there are many parents that can&#8217;t afford cars and the bus&#8217; are safe.  </p>
<p>&#8220;and I’m fixing to lose my job at a local plant, and the commissioners are very well aware of the industry that’s leaving this area, and they have the nerve to propose this, again! &#8221;  I am sorry about your loss if this happens, but in all honesty this does not have anything to do with the gas tax.  </p>
<p>If your parents needed transportation, your children, yourself&#8230;.whether is takes an hour or longer to commute if the cost is better for an individual it is available.  If you were to lose your job, there would still be transportation available for you to look for a new one. </p>
<p>&#8220;I’ve seen these bus routes, been behind many of them. They do not always stop at designated bus stops. I’ve seen them stop right on Hwy. 29 or just wherever the rider wants to get on or off. They get off of the “designated” routes, to drop their friends off at their destinations, and they sit and chat at friends passing down the road walking, all the while you have to sit and wait for them to move out of the way.&#8221;  You should call it in if you think that is what is happening so it could be fixed, but the buses are equipped with GPS and if they deviate from route for some reason they have to call it in.  Again, this has nothing to do with the 3 cent gas tax.</p>
<p>&#8220;But let me ask the county and/or state this question, since when did the government start issuing gas cards to people who couldn’t afford their own gas? Didn’t know this was going on until about a month ago, when I went to Escarosa in Century. And if it’s the Federal Government funding it, then I think ECAT ought to get it’s funding from them.&#8221; Again, we use diesel and this has nothing to do with the gas tax.</p>
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		<title>By: Just Tired!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Tired!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I&#039;m so tired of footing the bill for people. I&#039;ve worked all of my adult life, and I&#039;m fixing to lose my job at a local plant, and the commissioners are very well aware of the industry that&#039;s leaving this area, and they have the nerve to propose this, again! I honestly have not seen the growth that someone said would come with the transit system. Have you? If so, where?

I&#039;ve seen these bus routes, been behind many of them. They do not always stop at designated bus stops. I&#039;ve seen them stop right on Hwy. 29 or just wherever the rider wants to get on or off. They get off of the &quot;designated&quot; routes, to drop their friends off at their destinations, and they sit and chat at friends passing down the road walking, all the while you have to sit and wait for them to move out of the way.

But let me ask the county and/or state this question, since when did the government start issuing gas cards to people who couldn&#039;t afford their own gas? Didn&#039;t know this was going on until about a month ago, when I went to Escarosa in Century. And if it&#039;s the Federal Government funding it, then I think ECAT ought to get it&#039;s funding from them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I&#8217;m so tired of footing the bill for people. I&#8217;ve worked all of my adult life, and I&#8217;m fixing to lose my job at a local plant, and the commissioners are very well aware of the industry that&#8217;s leaving this area, and they have the nerve to propose this, again! I honestly have not seen the growth that someone said would come with the transit system. Have you? If so, where?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen these bus routes, been behind many of them. They do not always stop at designated bus stops. I&#8217;ve seen them stop right on Hwy. 29 or just wherever the rider wants to get on or off. They get off of the &#8220;designated&#8221; routes, to drop their friends off at their destinations, and they sit and chat at friends passing down the road walking, all the while you have to sit and wait for them to move out of the way.</p>
<p>But let me ask the county and/or state this question, since when did the government start issuing gas cards to people who couldn&#8217;t afford their own gas? Didn&#8217;t know this was going on until about a month ago, when I went to Escarosa in Century. And if it&#8217;s the Federal Government funding it, then I think ECAT ought to get it&#8217;s funding from them.</p>
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		<title>By: David Huie Green</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/06/ecat-and-3-cent-gas-tax-an-in-depth-look-at-north-escambias-only-bus/comment-page-1#comment-13267</link>
		<dc:creator>David Huie Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You will pay for transportation as long as it runs, every state has transportation issues. The issue is where do you pay for it from…….&quot;

and what kind
and how much
and where

most go for whatever costs them personally the least and helps them the most</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You will pay for transportation as long as it runs, every state has transportation issues. The issue is where do you pay for it from…….&#8221;</p>
<p>and what kind<br />
and how much<br />
and where</p>
<p>most go for whatever costs them personally the least and helps them the most</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/06/ecat-and-3-cent-gas-tax-an-in-depth-look-at-north-escambias-only-bus/comment-page-1#comment-13245</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my last post because no one seems to get the entire picture.  Take all your comments out of the way here.  You will pay for transportation as long as it runs, every state has transportation issues.  The issue is where do you pay for it from.......

3 cent gas tax where everyone fills their tank or from only the county resident home owners.  I choose the gas tax.  I have a home here and I pay all the taxes everyone else does.  The bus service does not come to my home which in my opinion is a shame.  My children, which I would much prefer be on a transit bus instead of driving any car in this dangerous place and add to the danger I am sure.  If I could use the bus I would as well!

Maybe if there was a 3 cent gas tax, in due time the routes could be changed to accomodate many more people.  right now only the home owners and the counties decision can say where those routes go.  

Guess there just arent many people that think ahead.....only about their current pocket instead of a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my last post because no one seems to get the entire picture.  Take all your comments out of the way here.  You will pay for transportation as long as it runs, every state has transportation issues.  The issue is where do you pay for it from&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>3 cent gas tax where everyone fills their tank or from only the county resident home owners.  I choose the gas tax.  I have a home here and I pay all the taxes everyone else does.  The bus service does not come to my home which in my opinion is a shame.  My children, which I would much prefer be on a transit bus instead of driving any car in this dangerous place and add to the danger I am sure.  If I could use the bus I would as well!</p>
<p>Maybe if there was a 3 cent gas tax, in due time the routes could be changed to accomodate many more people.  right now only the home owners and the counties decision can say where those routes go.  </p>
<p>Guess there just arent many people that think ahead&#8230;..only about their current pocket instead of a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: techno</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/06/ecat-and-3-cent-gas-tax-an-in-depth-look-at-north-escambias-only-bus/comment-page-1#comment-13210</link>
		<dc:creator>techno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In total, we&#039;re sick of being taxed to death to pay for others misfortune in life, either through not taking advantage of a free education or lack  of gumption to just  cover ones own way.      3 cents here , a penny  there , it adds up on the folk that  have  the means.      The more you give someone for free the less they will try to get it on their own.     To all the bleeding heart libs that want to give their money away, be my guest....I&#039;ll keep mine and give to the charity of MY choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In total, we&#8217;re sick of being taxed to death to pay for others misfortune in life, either through not taking advantage of a free education or lack  of gumption to just  cover ones own way.      3 cents here , a penny  there , it adds up on the folk that  have  the means.      The more you give someone for free the less they will try to get it on their own.     To all the bleeding heart libs that want to give their money away, be my guest&#8230;.I&#8217;ll keep mine and give to the charity of MY choice.</p>
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		<title>By: David Huie Green</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/06/ecat-and-3-cent-gas-tax-an-in-depth-look-at-north-escambias-only-bus/comment-page-1#comment-13204</link>
		<dc:creator>David Huie Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the most economical option would be to live, work, die in the same place. this would be unpleasant and is basically impossible.

if all who could benefit from public transportation used it, the fixed costs would not go up, the income would simply rise. without greater usage it is not economical or environmentally friendly. (an empty bus driving down the road is not reducing pollution or energy usage of the people who do not ride it.

some of the people using the bus did not move to Century, they were born there and chose to stay. others stayed or returned but do not use it for inconvenience of hours.

it&#039;s an imperfect world, but I like it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the most economical option would be to live, work, die in the same place. this would be unpleasant and is basically impossible.</p>
<p>if all who could benefit from public transportation used it, the fixed costs would not go up, the income would simply rise. without greater usage it is not economical or environmentally friendly. (an empty bus driving down the road is not reducing pollution or energy usage of the people who do not ride it.</p>
<p>some of the people using the bus did not move to Century, they were born there and chose to stay. others stayed or returned but do not use it for inconvenience of hours.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s an imperfect world, but I like it</p>
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		<title>By: Robt</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/06/ecat-and-3-cent-gas-tax-an-in-depth-look-at-north-escambias-only-bus/comment-page-1#comment-13200</link>
		<dc:creator>Robt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh Ken - I must have missed the part in my post where I said to do away with all taxes.  Maybe you can point it out like you did the &quot;facts&quot; regarding what yet another entitlement will cost the average driver.

I love the lady in the article that says &quot;it saves her so much money&quot;.  All she needed to add was  &quot;while someone else picks up the bill.&quot;

Health care, food stamps, schooling, housing, welfare, day care, transportation.......  Is there any end in sight with you people.  Next you&#039;ll be asking us to inhale and exhale for you because those are about the only things you do for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh Ken &#8211; I must have missed the part in my post where I said to do away with all taxes.  Maybe you can point it out like you did the &#8220;facts&#8221; regarding what yet another entitlement will cost the average driver.</p>
<p>I love the lady in the article that says &#8220;it saves her so much money&#8221;.  All she needed to add was  &#8220;while someone else picks up the bill.&#8221;</p>
<p>Health care, food stamps, schooling, housing, welfare, day care, transportation&#8230;&#8230;.  Is there any end in sight with you people.  Next you&#8217;ll be asking us to inhale and exhale for you because those are about the only things you do for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/06/ecat-and-3-cent-gas-tax-an-in-depth-look-at-north-escambias-only-bus/comment-page-1#comment-13198</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robt, You can&#039;t weigh your thoughts of what people &quot;may have&quot; or some bad apples abuse to change the facts here.  There are several reasons for public transportation.  Environment, transportation for elderly, students and everday riders to and from work, school &amp; doctor appointments.   If they have to give up their cable, cd&#039;s, t.v. and all other things you stated, then we should also do away with all welfare because people have &quot;things&quot;. That is not a good enough reason in my mind to NOT fund transportation, because what you are stating is someone that has nothing would be ok to ride the bus.  Another rediculous statement.
This is a trade to fund ECAT in a different way. Instead of taxing all local homes on a annual basis, we will fund ECAT not only as a community but as all people fill their cars. 
So your right, take away all taxes!!  No more money on that tax for students to get educated, no more tax to take care of the fire departments either!  This is just silly.  What about the taxes out of your check that fund the military as well!  

Come on, give in and vote yes because it is the right thing to do for all of Escambia County residents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robt, You can&#8217;t weigh your thoughts of what people &#8220;may have&#8221; or some bad apples abuse to change the facts here.  There are several reasons for public transportation.  Environment, transportation for elderly, students and everday riders to and from work, school &amp; doctor appointments.   If they have to give up their cable, cd&#8217;s, t.v. and all other things you stated, then we should also do away with all welfare because people have &#8220;things&#8221;. That is not a good enough reason in my mind to NOT fund transportation, because what you are stating is someone that has nothing would be ok to ride the bus.  Another rediculous statement.<br />
This is a trade to fund ECAT in a different way. Instead of taxing all local homes on a annual basis, we will fund ECAT not only as a community but as all people fill their cars.<br />
So your right, take away all taxes!!  No more money on that tax for students to get educated, no more tax to take care of the fire departments either!  This is just silly.  What about the taxes out of your check that fund the military as well!  </p>
<p>Come on, give in and vote yes because it is the right thing to do for all of Escambia County residents.</p>
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		<title>By: Trish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My 3 cents worth:

To Caraway Bandit...&quot;Get a job closer to home&quot;...you have got to be kidding. My life dream is not to work at a convenience store (nothing against their workers, years ago I did it as a second job).

To Bob....&quot;If it can&#039;t support itself shut it down&quot;.  Another ARE YOU KIDDING ME!  Our government is not supporting itself and is in debt trillions of dollars.  Do you suggest we shut it down?  Hope no one is on Social Security?

Brenda...I totally agree.  People now days are too closed minded and can&#039;t seem to look at the big picture.  No matter how you try to explain it they don&#039;t understand the domino effect.

Karen......another smart woman!  What do these comments show you about intelligence?  Women are far smarter than men?  Seems so to me.  At least we look at ALL aspects and are trying for the betterment of not only our county but our earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My 3 cents worth:</p>
<p>To Caraway Bandit&#8230;&#8221;Get a job closer to home&#8221;&#8230;you have got to be kidding. My life dream is not to work at a convenience store (nothing against their workers, years ago I did it as a second job).</p>
<p>To Bob&#8230;.&#8221;If it can&#8217;t support itself shut it down&#8221;.  Another ARE YOU KIDDING ME!  Our government is not supporting itself and is in debt trillions of dollars.  Do you suggest we shut it down?  Hope no one is on Social Security?</p>
<p>Brenda&#8230;I totally agree.  People now days are too closed minded and can&#8217;t seem to look at the big picture.  No matter how you try to explain it they don&#8217;t understand the domino effect.</p>
<p>Karen&#8230;&#8230;another smart woman!  What do these comments show you about intelligence?  Women are far smarter than men?  Seems so to me.  At least we look at ALL aspects and are trying for the betterment of not only our county but our earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Robt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Ken - the national average miles driven does not represent the average in Escambia county which is a RURAL county meaning the mileage is substantially higher. Rural drivers average 36 miles per day while urban drivers average 16.   Also - The average car does not get 23 miles per gallon either; it actually gets 21.4. 

I guess Ken has made the decision to be intellectually dishonest to make his case which should tell the rest of us the validity of his arguement.  

In reality - The issue isn&#039;t a matter of a few dollars one way or the other.  One issue is that government is notorious as seeing the only solution to a problem as being raise taxes.  How many times do you see a bus that is virtually empty?  About 90%.  That tells me you have too many stops, too many buses, too many routes and/or too frequent pick-ups.  The inefficiency I imagine is enough for even you to see - well, maybe not.

The other issue is self reliance, responsibility and personal accountability.  I assume these people had a reasonable idea as to their location when they decided to live in Century.  I assume they had an idea of where everything else was that they were going to need access to.  I also assume each of them has a cell phone.  Each has cable.  Each has internet connectivity. X number of DVD players, flat screen TV&#039;s, $150 Nike&#039;s, etc, etc, etc.  When I see less of those wants - I will be more inclined to assist them with their needs.

You can use the &quot;it&#039;s only a few tax dollars&quot; to justify  every government waste and we already have way more than we need of government spending and waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Ken &#8211; the national average miles driven does not represent the average in Escambia county which is a RURAL county meaning the mileage is substantially higher. Rural drivers average 36 miles per day while urban drivers average 16.   Also &#8211; The average car does not get 23 miles per gallon either; it actually gets 21.4. </p>
<p>I guess Ken has made the decision to be intellectually dishonest to make his case which should tell the rest of us the validity of his arguement.  </p>
<p>In reality &#8211; The issue isn&#8217;t a matter of a few dollars one way or the other.  One issue is that government is notorious as seeing the only solution to a problem as being raise taxes.  How many times do you see a bus that is virtually empty?  About 90%.  That tells me you have too many stops, too many buses, too many routes and/or too frequent pick-ups.  The inefficiency I imagine is enough for even you to see &#8211; well, maybe not.</p>
<p>The other issue is self reliance, responsibility and personal accountability.  I assume these people had a reasonable idea as to their location when they decided to live in Century.  I assume they had an idea of where everything else was that they were going to need access to.  I also assume each of them has a cell phone.  Each has cable.  Each has internet connectivity. X number of DVD players, flat screen TV&#8217;s, $150 Nike&#8217;s, etc, etc, etc.  When I see less of those wants &#8211; I will be more inclined to assist them with their needs.</p>
<p>You can use the &#8220;it&#8217;s only a few tax dollars&#8221; to justify  every government waste and we already have way more than we need of government spending and waste.</p>
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