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	<title>Comments on: Consolidation Advisory Committee Members Are Named</title>
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		<title>By: bob hudson</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/05/consolidation-advisory-committee-members-are-named/comment-page-1#comment-12773</link>
		<dc:creator>bob hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They should not merge. It is easier to stop, than it is go forward, and back -up.and this is really true of government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They should not merge. It is easier to stop, than it is go forward, and back -up.and this is really true of government.</p>
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		<title>By: Courtney</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/05/consolidation-advisory-committee-members-are-named/comment-page-1#comment-12771</link>
		<dc:creator>Courtney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 20:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe a lot of the concerns some of you have are reasonable, but if you did some homework on the issue, you&#039;ll find that most of your conerns won&#039;t be realized.  I think if you actually talked to someone on the commission or even your editor for NorthEscambia, you&#039;d have a better understanding of the structure of the commission and the committees that were formed to provide input to them.  Bill Davison is the only one that seems to have done his homework and come up with some concerns that have some real teeth. Bill, what are your thoughts on these comments to your points below?:

1. A charter government is nothing more than a government adopting a document which spells out the the rights of its citizens and the powers, duties and structure of its government. The difference between a county with charter government and one without is that those areas within the county that lack a charter are governed by the State. I would argue that the residents of the county are better able to govern themselves rather than the State of Florida. 
2. As for recall provisions, I believe you&#039;ll find that FL 100.361 spells out how our government can recall a member of our city or charter government in the City of Pensacola or Century. However, my understanding is that County voters can&#039;t recall county commissioners from office or approve most county proposals. How do you think Marie Young originally was APPOINTED to the commission? The State of Florida has jurisdiction over that matter whereas a government with a charter can control that matter.  I think most people would prefer a charter if they understood what it really meant as opposed to having someone who doesn&#039;t understand your area govern from 200 miles away. Charters can include a recall provision.
3.  I don&#039;t know where you came up with metro-gov, but everything I have READ thus far in the matter of this proposal is that the government will be called Pensacola-Escambia, if approved, and it is just as possible to change it back to it&#039;s original form as it is to consolidate.
4.  Bill, ECUA WILL go under the new consolidated government?  Really? Where did you read that? I think that is being proposed, but if people feel strongly about that not happening then it won&#039;t happen.  As for taxes, franchise fees and assessments, you&#039;re insinuating that those haven&#039;t been a problem before?  Frankly, and you and I know this for fact, that if our government decides it&#039;s going to assess new taxes, fees or assessments, it&#039;s going to do it regardless of the entity it is assigned to unless enough people speak out against it.  By all means, keep it seperate from the government, but does everyone feel insulated from tax increases or new assessments? No. 

Most of these arguments all boil down to a zero-sum game. Your going to have just as many advantages as you will disadvantages.  Almost all of the disadvantages you can think of are either present or possible under our current form of government.  Nearly all of the advantages are possible under our current form of government. The key difference is that our combined governments have demonstrated that they can&#039;t work together and the few times they&#039;ve tried in the recent past, the efforts were soon forgotten and ultimately they worked against each other to our detriment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe a lot of the concerns some of you have are reasonable, but if you did some homework on the issue, you&#8217;ll find that most of your conerns won&#8217;t be realized.  I think if you actually talked to someone on the commission or even your editor for NorthEscambia, you&#8217;d have a better understanding of the structure of the commission and the committees that were formed to provide input to them.  Bill Davison is the only one that seems to have done his homework and come up with some concerns that have some real teeth. Bill, what are your thoughts on these comments to your points below?:</p>
<p>1. A charter government is nothing more than a government adopting a document which spells out the the rights of its citizens and the powers, duties and structure of its government. The difference between a county with charter government and one without is that those areas within the county that lack a charter are governed by the State. I would argue that the residents of the county are better able to govern themselves rather than the State of Florida.<br />
2. As for recall provisions, I believe you&#8217;ll find that FL 100.361 spells out how our government can recall a member of our city or charter government in the City of Pensacola or Century. However, my understanding is that County voters can&#8217;t recall county commissioners from office or approve most county proposals. How do you think Marie Young originally was APPOINTED to the commission? The State of Florida has jurisdiction over that matter whereas a government with a charter can control that matter.  I think most people would prefer a charter if they understood what it really meant as opposed to having someone who doesn&#8217;t understand your area govern from 200 miles away. Charters can include a recall provision.<br />
3.  I don&#8217;t know where you came up with metro-gov, but everything I have READ thus far in the matter of this proposal is that the government will be called Pensacola-Escambia, if approved, and it is just as possible to change it back to it&#8217;s original form as it is to consolidate.<br />
4.  Bill, ECUA WILL go under the new consolidated government?  Really? Where did you read that? I think that is being proposed, but if people feel strongly about that not happening then it won&#8217;t happen.  As for taxes, franchise fees and assessments, you&#8217;re insinuating that those haven&#8217;t been a problem before?  Frankly, and you and I know this for fact, that if our government decides it&#8217;s going to assess new taxes, fees or assessments, it&#8217;s going to do it regardless of the entity it is assigned to unless enough people speak out against it.  By all means, keep it seperate from the government, but does everyone feel insulated from tax increases or new assessments? No. </p>
<p>Most of these arguments all boil down to a zero-sum game. Your going to have just as many advantages as you will disadvantages.  Almost all of the disadvantages you can think of are either present or possible under our current form of government.  Nearly all of the advantages are possible under our current form of government. The key difference is that our combined governments have demonstrated that they can&#8217;t work together and the few times they&#8217;ve tried in the recent past, the efforts were soon forgotten and ultimately they worked against each other to our detriment.</p>
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		<title>By: Walnut Hill Resident</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/05/consolidation-advisory-committee-members-are-named/comment-page-1#comment-12672</link>
		<dc:creator>Walnut Hill Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 17:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about that escambiamom I should have did that, but I try to stay north of 29 0n 97 most of the time. I will try and do better next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about that escambiamom I should have did that, but I try to stay north of 29 0n 97 most of the time. I will try and do better next time.</p>
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		<title>By: bob hudson</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/05/consolidation-advisory-committee-members-are-named/comment-page-1#comment-12639</link>
		<dc:creator>bob hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 10:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would seem that every one blogging here has a very firm idea of how they wish to live and what type of government that they wish to have , except May 28. or Mr pensacola. All of you have hit the nail on the head about consolidation. I know EAFO reads this blog and are not happy with what they read , but so be it, We in the county know that the city can not attend to their own affairs, much less run the county. Keep up the great blogging and let us send them a very strong message that WE DO NOT WISH TO BELONG TO THE CITY OF PENSACOLA OR TO BE RULED BY THEM.       LEARN TO ANNEX LIKE THE CITY OF MOBILE       AND VOTE NO ON CONSOLIDATION.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem that every one blogging here has a very firm idea of how they wish to live and what type of government that they wish to have , except May 28. or Mr pensacola. All of you have hit the nail on the head about consolidation. I know EAFO reads this blog and are not happy with what they read , but so be it, We in the county know that the city can not attend to their own affairs, much less run the county. Keep up the great blogging and let us send them a very strong message that WE DO NOT WISH TO BELONG TO THE CITY OF PENSACOLA OR TO BE RULED BY THEM.       LEARN TO ANNEX LIKE THE CITY OF MOBILE       AND VOTE NO ON CONSOLIDATION.</p>
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		<title>By: escambiamom</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/05/consolidation-advisory-committee-members-are-named/comment-page-1#comment-12637</link>
		<dc:creator>escambiamom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 07:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pensacola,

No taxes up here?? We wish!  And I&#039;ll have to tell the mortgage company to stop holding it in escrow then, lol. We may not pay the highest amounts in the whole county, but if you factored in the sum vs. the amount of services we receive in the north end, I&#039;d bet that the scales would be tipping towards the giving side for North Escambia.

There are some lovely homes up here and even better people. I&#039;d tell you to come up and see for yourself, but since you stated elsewhere that being in Century might lead one to a life of crime, I&#039;d recommend staying in the city for all of our sakes! ;)
(You can&#039;t be the same &quot;Pensacola&quot; from the PNJ forum?? It doesn&#039;t sound like the same tone??)

And Walnut Hill Resident, some of us North Cantonment/South Molino people consider ourselves country-like, good folk, and North Enders, too! Please don&#039;t let them incorporate us!!! (big grin) Besides that, I agreed with what you said. I have lived all over, too, but I love it up here.

And, Go NorthEscambia.com !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pensacola,</p>
<p>No taxes up here?? We wish!  And I&#8217;ll have to tell the mortgage company to stop holding it in escrow then, lol. We may not pay the highest amounts in the whole county, but if you factored in the sum vs. the amount of services we receive in the north end, I&#8217;d bet that the scales would be tipping towards the giving side for North Escambia.</p>
<p>There are some lovely homes up here and even better people. I&#8217;d tell you to come up and see for yourself, but since you stated elsewhere that being in Century might lead one to a life of crime, I&#8217;d recommend staying in the city for all of our sakes! <img src='http://www.northescambia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
(You can&#8217;t be the same &#8220;Pensacola&#8221; from the PNJ forum?? It doesn&#8217;t sound like the same tone??)</p>
<p>And Walnut Hill Resident, some of us North Cantonment/South Molino people consider ourselves country-like, good folk, and North Enders, too! Please don&#8217;t let them incorporate us!!! (big grin) Besides that, I agreed with what you said. I have lived all over, too, but I love it up here.</p>
<p>And, Go NorthEscambia.com !</p>
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		<title>By: Walnut Hill Resident</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/05/consolidation-advisory-committee-members-are-named/comment-page-1#comment-12627</link>
		<dc:creator>Walnut Hill Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 03:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all Pensacola you are an insurance burden to the north end of the county. Our insurance prices have doubled because of beach property.Second of all you have no idea what the north end pays in taxes as if you think our taxes don&#039;t help the county you are sadly wrong. My place of business pays well over $20,000,00 dollars a year in county property taxes. How much do you contribute Pensacola with your nice house. Also the fire tax helps pay alot of money into the county fund from the north end since most of us have land not a lot for our homes to sit on. My home is not a shotgun home but, it is protected by a shotgun you can bet on that. Shotgun homes and moblie homes are fine if that is all you can afford to have folks. We still love them because they are our neighbors and friends even if they don&#039;t live in a big fancy home. Not everyone was born with the silver spoon. When it comes to country folks we know how to take care of our own and we live within our means. I have lived in some of the big cities of this country and I can tell you this much GIVE ME WALNUT HILL and the people that live in this area no matter what kind of home they have. Decent hard working country people that love family and friends and know most of their neighbors. So you can take Perdido Key and Pensacola they both don&#039;t have what we have. This will never pass and we all know it from past votes on it. North Escambia voters make sure to go to the poles and vote when it comes up for the vote. Show them what the north end vote can do. Next time let&#039;s see if we can get someone from the real north end on the county commission. Never know who might run from this end of the county. I should have included Bratt, Byrneville, Enon, Century, Nokomis, Davisville, and all the other small communities that make up the north end of this county. We may be country folks but, we take pride in that .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all Pensacola you are an insurance burden to the north end of the county. Our insurance prices have doubled because of beach property.Second of all you have no idea what the north end pays in taxes as if you think our taxes don&#8217;t help the county you are sadly wrong. My place of business pays well over $20,000,00 dollars a year in county property taxes. How much do you contribute Pensacola with your nice house. Also the fire tax helps pay alot of money into the county fund from the north end since most of us have land not a lot for our homes to sit on. My home is not a shotgun home but, it is protected by a shotgun you can bet on that. Shotgun homes and moblie homes are fine if that is all you can afford to have folks. We still love them because they are our neighbors and friends even if they don&#8217;t live in a big fancy home. Not everyone was born with the silver spoon. When it comes to country folks we know how to take care of our own and we live within our means. I have lived in some of the big cities of this country and I can tell you this much GIVE ME WALNUT HILL and the people that live in this area no matter what kind of home they have. Decent hard working country people that love family and friends and know most of their neighbors. So you can take Perdido Key and Pensacola they both don&#8217;t have what we have. This will never pass and we all know it from past votes on it. North Escambia voters make sure to go to the poles and vote when it comes up for the vote. Show them what the north end vote can do. Next time let&#8217;s see if we can get someone from the real north end on the county commission. Never know who might run from this end of the county. I should have included Bratt, Byrneville, Enon, Century, Nokomis, Davisville, and all the other small communities that make up the north end of this county. We may be country folks but, we take pride in that .</p>
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		<title>By: J. D.</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/05/consolidation-advisory-committee-members-are-named/comment-page-1#comment-12619</link>
		<dc:creator>J. D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 02:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pensacola is an idiot, he needs leave the city limits and explore the north end. I think he may see some mighty fancy trailers and shotgun houses. Get to for off the beaten path and you may get an education in what life is really like. Visit the best schools in the county a lot of fine caring people</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pensacola is an idiot, he needs leave the city limits and explore the north end. I think he may see some mighty fancy trailers and shotgun houses. Get to for off the beaten path and you may get an education in what life is really like. Visit the best schools in the county a lot of fine caring people</p>
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		<title>By: Pensacola</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/05/consolidation-advisory-committee-members-are-named/comment-page-1#comment-12616</link>
		<dc:creator>Pensacola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 01:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mrs Mobley if you relied on the tax base of north escambia you would starve.     The tax base for escambia is Perdido Key.     You have absolutely nothing but trailers and shotgun homes that probably pay no tax after the fifty thousand homestead,  but by all means start your own county, you would be less of a burden for the rest of us taxpayers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs Mobley if you relied on the tax base of north escambia you would starve.     The tax base for escambia is Perdido Key.     You have absolutely nothing but trailers and shotgun homes that probably pay no tax after the fifty thousand homestead,  but by all means start your own county, you would be less of a burden for the rest of us taxpayers.</p>
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		<title>By: Look around</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/05/consolidation-advisory-committee-members-are-named/comment-page-1#comment-12613</link>
		<dc:creator>Look around</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 01:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are so right Mr. Davidson, the current system has worked so well for Escambia County.  No need to even attempt to improve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so right Mr. Davidson, the current system has worked so well for Escambia County.  No need to even attempt to improve.</p>
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		<title>By: Marian Mobley</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/05/consolidation-advisory-committee-members-are-named/comment-page-1#comment-12607</link>
		<dc:creator>Marian Mobley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many times do we have to vote this down?  We have said no not once by three times in my life time.  
There are some things I do not understand.  This county is not very wide but is about 50 miles long and the town sitting on the water wants to be over the whole area.  If we out of towners wanted to be in Pensacola we would have chosen to live there.  I really wish this thing would stop.  Maybe we should just vote to be a different county north of the nine mile road.  We would take the tax base with us and probably do a lot better.  At least we would have a centeralized government.
No to consolidation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many times do we have to vote this down?  We have said no not once by three times in my life time.<br />
There are some things I do not understand.  This county is not very wide but is about 50 miles long and the town sitting on the water wants to be over the whole area.  If we out of towners wanted to be in Pensacola we would have chosen to live there.  I really wish this thing would stop.  Maybe we should just vote to be a different county north of the nine mile road.  We would take the tax base with us and probably do a lot better.  At least we would have a centeralized government.<br />
No to consolidation.</p>
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