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	<title>Comments on: New County Gas Tax Could Fund ECAT Buses</title>
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		<title>By: Rawhide68</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/01/new-county-gas-tax-could-fund-ecat-buses/comment-page-1#comment-5451</link>
		<dc:creator>Rawhide68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 01:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;William&lt;br /&gt;
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The numbers you have indicate what ECAT does NOT want the public to know. Each “ride” a “person” takes is counted as another “rider’ implying that many “persons” ride the bus. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Your estimation that the average full time rider rides a bus 250 days a year reveals that Route 60 from Century to Pensacola has thirty two (32) actual persons who ride the bus daily to and from Pensacola. That figure compares closely to the statistics reported in the zip code breakdown of number of riders. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The 145,883 “riders” who ride the busiest bus in the county on Fairfield Drive account for only 584 actual persons riding that bus.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What a joke, four of the commissioners want us to pony up an additional 3 cents a gallon so that 32 person can ride a bus to and from Century and so 584 person can ride the Fairfield Drive route.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;White may be only one vote, but hopefully he can sway two more votes to kill this issue.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William<br />
Admin<br />
The numbers you have indicate what ECAT does NOT want the public to know. Each “ride” a “person” takes is counted as another “rider’ implying that many “persons” ride the bus. </p>
<p>Your estimation that the average full time rider rides a bus 250 days a year reveals that Route 60 from Century to Pensacola has thirty two (32) actual persons who ride the bus daily to and from Pensacola. That figure compares closely to the statistics reported in the zip code breakdown of number of riders. </p>
<p>The 145,883 “riders” who ride the busiest bus in the county on Fairfield Drive account for only 584 actual persons riding that bus.</p>
<p>What a joke, four of the commissioners want us to pony up an additional 3 cents a gallon so that 32 person can ride a bus to and from Century and so 584 person can ride the Fairfield Drive route.</p>
<p>White may be only one vote, but hopefully he can sway two more votes to kill this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Rawhide68</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/01/new-county-gas-tax-could-fund-ecat-buses/comment-page-1#comment-5450</link>
		<dc:creator>Rawhide68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 01:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to poster Ben Armato:
ECAT recently was quoted in one of the PNJ stories about raising the gas tax and said, “The average cost to a county resident for a 3 cent gas tax would be about $15 a year, according to a study last year by the ECAT Citizen Advisory Committee”.

More ECAT smoke screen. ECAT is famous for making the numbers say what they want them to say. If their proposed 3cent a gallon increase will only cost the average driver $15, then the average driver who drives an average 20,000 miles a year must be getting 40 mpg and only uses 500 gals. of gas a year.

I drive 20,000 miles a year and around town average 12mpg and use 1,666 gals. of gas. The proposed 3 cent a gallon increase will cost me an additional $50 a year. 

Same amount for my wife’s car.
This doesn’t include what I use in my boat, lawn tractor, weed eater and chain saw. 

Those who have small businesses and who have to use an automobile or trucks in their business will be hit the hardest. 

Robertson’s suggested that property taxes be reduced the same amount as the proposed gas tax increase. Is he going to reduce my property taxes by $50 a year or suggest that I’d have to buy a new $40,000 car that gets 40mpg to equalize the gas tax increase?

Besides how many time have we ever seen politicians cut taxes until they were forced to like we made them by passing proposition 1. 

Let’s hope White sticks to his guns and keeps on opposing this proposal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to poster Ben Armato:<br />
ECAT recently was quoted in one of the PNJ stories about raising the gas tax and said, “The average cost to a county resident for a 3 cent gas tax would be about $15 a year, according to a study last year by the ECAT Citizen Advisory Committee”.</p>
<p>More ECAT smoke screen. ECAT is famous for making the numbers say what they want them to say. If their proposed 3cent a gallon increase will only cost the average driver $15, then the average driver who drives an average 20,000 miles a year must be getting 40 mpg and only uses 500 gals. of gas a year.</p>
<p>I drive 20,000 miles a year and around town average 12mpg and use 1,666 gals. of gas. The proposed 3 cent a gallon increase will cost me an additional $50 a year. </p>
<p>Same amount for my wife’s car.<br />
This doesn’t include what I use in my boat, lawn tractor, weed eater and chain saw. </p>
<p>Those who have small businesses and who have to use an automobile or trucks in their business will be hit the hardest. </p>
<p>Robertson’s suggested that property taxes be reduced the same amount as the proposed gas tax increase. Is he going to reduce my property taxes by $50 a year or suggest that I’d have to buy a new $40,000 car that gets 40mpg to equalize the gas tax increase?</p>
<p>Besides how many time have we ever seen politicians cut taxes until they were forced to like we made them by passing proposition 1. </p>
<p>Let’s hope White sticks to his guns and keeps on opposing this proposal.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/01/new-county-gas-tax-could-fund-ecat-buses/comment-page-1#comment-5449</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 01:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A total of 7,819 riders took the Route 60 bus that runs from Century to Penscola over a one year period. That compares to 145,883 riders on the busiest bus in the county in the Fairfield Drive area.

These numbers were in a story we ran here:

http://www.northescambia.com/?p=5800

One rider=one person riding one day. One single person that rides the bus 250 days a year would could as 250 riders.

I have the numbers on each bus route in the county that I pulled the above numbers from for the story on the Century/Molino bus. I&#039;ll try to locate and total them for you sometime over the weekend.

William
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A total of 7,819 riders took the Route 60 bus that runs from Century to Penscola over a one year period. That compares to 145,883 riders on the busiest bus in the county in the Fairfield Drive area.</p>
<p>These numbers were in a story we ran here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.northescambia.com/?p=5800" rel="nofollow">http://www.northescambia.com/?p=5800</a></p>
<p>One rider=one person riding one day. One single person that rides the bus 250 days a year would could as 250 riders.</p>
<p>I have the numbers on each bus route in the county that I pulled the above numbers from for the story on the Century/Molino bus. I&#8217;ll try to locate and total them for you sometime over the weekend.</p>
<p>William<br />
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		<title>By: Rawhide68</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/01/new-county-gas-tax-could-fund-ecat-buses/comment-page-1#comment-5448</link>
		<dc:creator>Rawhide68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 01:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DD
If you want to have some idea about how many actual persons who use the buses the addresses below will provide that information. The statistics were tabulated in 2000 so have probably changed to some degree. As previous mentioned, the ECAT spokesperson gave information that indicates there is now 1,550 riders.

The statistics at: 
http://www.city-data.com/county/Escambia_County-FL.html reports in 2000 that only 1,379 PERSONS rode a bus. 

For a zip code breakdown of the riders for a particular zip code area go to the following: 
http://www.city-data.com/zips/32501.html 

The zip breakdown shows that there are only 81 riders who use the bus in the zip codes making up Cantonment, Century, Walnut Hill, NW Escambia County and Molino which is Whites district. 

There are only a few hundred riders in Robinsons, Robertsons and Valentino’s district. 

To see each zip code demographics for all zips in Escambia County one by one, change the 32501 to the zip code to be searched for: 32503, 32504, Etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DD<br />
If you want to have some idea about how many actual persons who use the buses the addresses below will provide that information. The statistics were tabulated in 2000 so have probably changed to some degree. As previous mentioned, the ECAT spokesperson gave information that indicates there is now 1,550 riders.</p>
<p>The statistics at:<br />
<a href="http://www.city-data.com/county/Escambia_County-FL.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.city-data.com/county/Escambia_County-FL.html</a> reports in 2000 that only 1,379 PERSONS rode a bus. </p>
<p>For a zip code breakdown of the riders for a particular zip code area go to the following:<br />
<a href="http://www.city-data.com/zips/32501.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.city-data.com/zips/32501.html</a> </p>
<p>The zip breakdown shows that there are only 81 riders who use the bus in the zip codes making up Cantonment, Century, Walnut Hill, NW Escambia County and Molino which is Whites district. </p>
<p>There are only a few hundred riders in Robinsons, Robertsons and Valentino’s district. </p>
<p>To see each zip code demographics for all zips in Escambia County one by one, change the 32501 to the zip code to be searched for: 32503, 32504, Etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Rawhide68</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/01/new-county-gas-tax-could-fund-ecat-buses/comment-page-1#comment-5447</link>
		<dc:creator>Rawhide68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 01:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DD you were lied to. Whoever at ECAT told you that three million riders used the Buses inflated the real number by almost 1,000%. Since there is only around 325,000 persons including children living in Escambia County it would be very difficult for 3 million to ride a bus.

Recently ECAT spokesperson, Nancy Lohr was quoted in the Pensacola News Journal reporting that in order to raise the 3.1 million dollars needed to fund ECAT the present number of riders can’t afford to pay the bill. She says that to raise the 3.1 mill. each person who rides would have to spend $40 a week. According to her statment, using basic math, it computes that there are 1,550 persons who use the buses assuming they ride 50 weeks a year.

The total cost to fund ECAT from all sources including Federal and State Grants of over 8 million dollars, much less the 3.1 million asked for from Escambia Taxpayers is not something that the 325,000 citizens who do not use the system should have to pay for The 1,550 persons who do use them should foot the bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DD you were lied to. Whoever at ECAT told you that three million riders used the Buses inflated the real number by almost 1,000%. Since there is only around 325,000 persons including children living in Escambia County it would be very difficult for 3 million to ride a bus.</p>
<p>Recently ECAT spokesperson, Nancy Lohr was quoted in the Pensacola News Journal reporting that in order to raise the 3.1 million dollars needed to fund ECAT the present number of riders can’t afford to pay the bill. She says that to raise the 3.1 mill. each person who rides would have to spend $40 a week. According to her statment, using basic math, it computes that there are 1,550 persons who use the buses assuming they ride 50 weeks a year.</p>
<p>The total cost to fund ECAT from all sources including Federal and State Grants of over 8 million dollars, much less the 3.1 million asked for from Escambia Taxpayers is not something that the 325,000 citizens who do not use the system should have to pay for The 1,550 persons who do use them should foot the bill.</p>
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		<title>By: frank hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/01/new-county-gas-tax-could-fund-ecat-buses/comment-page-1#comment-5418</link>
		<dc:creator>frank hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crazy idea, but how about people that ride the bus, pay for the bus!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crazy idea, but how about people that ride the bus, pay for the bus!</p>
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		<title>By: dd</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/01/new-county-gas-tax-could-fund-ecat-buses/comment-page-1#comment-5393</link>
		<dc:creator>dd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spoke with a gentlman at ECAT just yesterday, Jan. 14. He, name unknown, did tell me that the fee to ride the buses, whether it be from Century to downtown Pensacola, or 1 block, was a flat rate of $1.75 fare, one way. That being said, I asked him how many people actually participated in riding the ECAT buses, and his quote to me was &quot;3 million a year.&quot; Thus, $5,250,000 taken in in fares on a yearly basis. With that being said, he referred me to a Mr. Wilcox, whom I have yet to speak with, about an average daily count of riders. I still have not been able to find that out.
My husband and I have many, many times been in our own vehicles in proximity of these buses, on their routes, and witness them, the buses and drivers, on many occasions, getting off of the scheduled route they are supposed to take, to go out of their way to pick up or drop off riders at their homes, etc., and on many occasions, sit and wait for these ECAT participants to conduct their business in whatever location they asked to be picked up or let off at, while the buses waited. On some instances, we&#039;ve even witnessed no one getting on or off of the bus, while we were stopped behind it, just the driver carrying on a conversation with an acquaintance.
Thus being said, in no way shape or form should the citizens of this county, let alone anyone traveling through this county, be held accountable for supporting a busing system that is being mishandled in this fashion. I myself have never used the ECAT buses, but if it did come to it one day, I would greatly pay my own way, especially if the fee were to be increased to help with the funding of it.
By the way, on another note, I did contact the Santa Rosa County Administrator, and Santa Rosa County does not have any public means of transportation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spoke with a gentlman at ECAT just yesterday, Jan. 14. He, name unknown, did tell me that the fee to ride the buses, whether it be from Century to downtown Pensacola, or 1 block, was a flat rate of $1.75 fare, one way. That being said, I asked him how many people actually participated in riding the ECAT buses, and his quote to me was &#8220;3 million a year.&#8221; Thus, $5,250,000 taken in in fares on a yearly basis. With that being said, he referred me to a Mr. Wilcox, whom I have yet to speak with, about an average daily count of riders. I still have not been able to find that out.<br />
My husband and I have many, many times been in our own vehicles in proximity of these buses, on their routes, and witness them, the buses and drivers, on many occasions, getting off of the scheduled route they are supposed to take, to go out of their way to pick up or drop off riders at their homes, etc., and on many occasions, sit and wait for these ECAT participants to conduct their business in whatever location they asked to be picked up or let off at, while the buses waited. On some instances, we&#8217;ve even witnessed no one getting on or off of the bus, while we were stopped behind it, just the driver carrying on a conversation with an acquaintance.<br />
Thus being said, in no way shape or form should the citizens of this county, let alone anyone traveling through this county, be held accountable for supporting a busing system that is being mishandled in this fashion. I myself have never used the ECAT buses, but if it did come to it one day, I would greatly pay my own way, especially if the fee were to be increased to help with the funding of it.<br />
By the way, on another note, I did contact the Santa Rosa County Administrator, and Santa Rosa County does not have any public means of transportation.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/01/new-county-gas-tax-could-fund-ecat-buses/comment-page-1#comment-5384</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, the problem is that the BOCC will never decrease your property taxes.  They&#039;ll go up every year because the property appraiser annually increases the value of your home.  Keep in mind, only temporary relief was granted by Amendment 1, which caused the politicians to pull their head out of the proverbial feeding trough.  The tax loss will be made up in fees paid in all kinds of areas from your electric and phone bills to higher MSBU&#039;s as the BOCC seeks to keep the status quo.  

I&#039;m from Missouri, so show me the exact numbers of ECAT rider ship.  With those numbers, let the public decide if we want to spend more for bus service.  However, the BOCC won&#039;t publish the numbers because it&#039;ll cause uproar with the voters.  They know the numbers are low, really low.  It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know because one can see empty busses running all over town.  Not too long ago the term &quot;significant increase&quot; in rider ship was being tossed around in an effort to get more money.  Well, just what does that mean?  If the Century/Molino route increased from one rider to three, is that a two hundred percent increase?  Sort of, but three passengers doesn&#039;t justify the cost of operating the big bus and driver.

Say NO to a gas tax increase; raise the passenger fare instead!  For what it’s worth, riders could ride all over town for a donated can of beans back a month or so ago.  What a deal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, the problem is that the BOCC will never decrease your property taxes.  They&#8217;ll go up every year because the property appraiser annually increases the value of your home.  Keep in mind, only temporary relief was granted by Amendment 1, which caused the politicians to pull their head out of the proverbial feeding trough.  The tax loss will be made up in fees paid in all kinds of areas from your electric and phone bills to higher MSBU&#8217;s as the BOCC seeks to keep the status quo.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m from Missouri, so show me the exact numbers of ECAT rider ship.  With those numbers, let the public decide if we want to spend more for bus service.  However, the BOCC won&#8217;t publish the numbers because it&#8217;ll cause uproar with the voters.  They know the numbers are low, really low.  It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know because one can see empty busses running all over town.  Not too long ago the term &#8220;significant increase&#8221; in rider ship was being tossed around in an effort to get more money.  Well, just what does that mean?  If the Century/Molino route increased from one rider to three, is that a two hundred percent increase?  Sort of, but three passengers doesn&#8217;t justify the cost of operating the big bus and driver.</p>
<p>Say NO to a gas tax increase; raise the passenger fare instead!  For what it’s worth, riders could ride all over town for a donated can of beans back a month or so ago.  What a deal!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Armato</title>
		<link>http://www.northescambia.com/2009/01/new-county-gas-tax-could-fund-ecat-buses/comment-page-1#comment-5372</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Armato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps it is better to continue funding ECAT - since it must be funded because of grants - through our property tax as is the current method rather than allowing tourists and those passing through who stop to by gas here help pay for the project. It&#039;s estimated that that an increase in a gas tax would cost us each less than $20.00 a year. Imagine reducing your property tax which you are forced to pay right now by deferring some of that cost to those who don&#039;t live here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it is better to continue funding ECAT &#8211; since it must be funded because of grants &#8211; through our property tax as is the current method rather than allowing tourists and those passing through who stop to by gas here help pay for the project. It&#8217;s estimated that that an increase in a gas tax would cost us each less than $20.00 a year. Imagine reducing your property tax which you are forced to pay right now by deferring some of that cost to those who don&#8217;t live here.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristi Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristi Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with almost everyone on that has commented. Way to go Commissioner White,  why would he vote for something that is hardly a dent in a North Escambia residents day.  Gene Valentino might have a somewhat short and jaunty drive to work in the mornings, how about North Escambia residents who work in Pensacola?  They fill up a gas tank AT LEAST once a week if not more.  My family works in Cantonment, Beulah, and Pine Forest repectively.  So when &quot;out-of-towners&quot; will be supposedly be such and such a percentage of the bill, I think Valentino has some wires crossed because it will be North Escambia residents paying the bulk of for a convience that is used in the south end of the county.  Make the people who use ECAT pay, don&#039;t those of us with vehicles have enough to pay for with routine maintence and whatnot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with almost everyone on that has commented. Way to go Commissioner White,  why would he vote for something that is hardly a dent in a North Escambia residents day.  Gene Valentino might have a somewhat short and jaunty drive to work in the mornings, how about North Escambia residents who work in Pensacola?  They fill up a gas tank AT LEAST once a week if not more.  My family works in Cantonment, Beulah, and Pine Forest repectively.  So when &#8220;out-of-towners&#8221; will be supposedly be such and such a percentage of the bill, I think Valentino has some wires crossed because it will be North Escambia residents paying the bulk of for a convience that is used in the south end of the county.  Make the people who use ECAT pay, don&#8217;t those of us with vehicles have enough to pay for with routine maintence and whatnot?</p>
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